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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 19:59:34 GMT
Eugenius is replacing it, covering the remaining dates of Foxfinders run.
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Post by crowblack on Oct 3, 2018 20:36:14 GMT
It's sad because there's something interesting in there, but this was miscast, in the wrong place, and the play needs a more punchy ending. There was talk of a film - will this scupper that? I hope not.
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Post by Rory on Oct 3, 2018 20:41:17 GMT
Eugenius is replacing it, covering the remaining dates of Foxfinders run. And there was me hoping it might be Tara Fitzgerald and Bob Lindsay in a nice bit of Terence Rattigan from Bath. Ah well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 21:32:56 GMT
It's sad because there's something interesting in there, but this was miscast, in the wrong place, and the play needs a more punchy ending. There was talk of a film - will this scupper that? I hope not. I think it will make a good film so I hope the production company hold their nerve.
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Post by dlevi on Oct 4, 2018 8:16:45 GMT
I caught yesterday's matinee of this, there were maybe 80 people in the stalls, I didn't look in the circle. I thought it was pretty awful. The play is certainly heavy-handed and the thought of a drinking game wherein we would take shots everytime someone said the word "Fox " got me through the proceedings. There was no tension and the set looked as if it were pulled from a warehouse two days earlier. I've liked the actors before and I'll like them again but they must be relieved that the play is closing early, it has to be disheartening to perform for a sparse and unenthusiastic audience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 9:18:32 GMT
Running from September 6th until October 20th, surely this is one of the fastest closings in a long while in the West End that wasn't initially scheduled?
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Post by Rory on Oct 4, 2018 9:41:29 GMT
Quick closures in the WE used to happen quite regularly, but are now thankfully very rare. There was talk of Heisenberg closing early but it went the distance. I can't recall Bill Kenwright closing one of his shows so early though. This has to be a first.
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Post by Snciole on Oct 4, 2018 14:50:35 GMT
I am willing to see many things but this just didn't interest me. It might have been selling badly that they just couldn't plow on for the planned run. Does much close early anymore?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 16:01:38 GMT
I caught yesterday's matinee of this, there were maybe 80 people in the stalls, I didn't look in the circle. I thought it was pretty awful. The play is certainly heavy-handed and the thought of a drinking game wherein we would take shots everytime someone said the word "Fox " got me through the proceedings. There was no tension and the set looked as if it were pulled from a warehouse two days earlier. I've liked the actors before and I'll like them again but they must be relieved that the play is closing early, it has to be disheartening to perform for a sparse and unenthusiastic audience. It wasn’t great when I saw it but it wasn’t as bad as the production you saw. I suspect the performers have lost the will to live. Best - as you suggest - to put them out of their misery.
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Post by Rory on Oct 4, 2018 19:27:01 GMT
All of what monkey says above is true but I also think that the quality of the work presented in the last 15 years has really improved in the West End and producers like Sonia Friedman, Playful and Fiery Angel have raised the bar in terms of bringing high calibre, sometimes daring, drama to the commercial sector.
More and more sell out, critically acclaimed hits transfer from the subsidised sector than used to be the case and it is actually pretty rare now for a West End show to get universally poor reviews.
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Post by Rory on Oct 4, 2018 19:30:24 GMT
Just following on from above, I'm not so sure things like The Nether and The Inheritance would have transferred 20 years ago when Kenwright and Duncan C. Weldon revivals dominated Shaftesbury Avenue (although David Pugh made more effort back then, as did Robert Fox).
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Post by Rory on Oct 5, 2018 12:37:10 GMT
True, new plays rarely open directly in the West End now. There are of course exceptions, like The Height of the Storm now, for example.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 5, 2018 13:05:15 GMT
Running from September 6th until October 20th, surely this is one of the fastest closings in a long while in the West End that wasn't initially scheduled? I think the last run this short would have been I Can't Sing! Which was actually a very enjoyable show that just came at the wrong time and went into the wrong theatre.
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Post by Xanderl on Oct 5, 2018 13:35:03 GMT
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Post by kathryn on Oct 5, 2018 14:09:30 GMT
I'd forgotten Hand to God even existed, which just goes to show how quickly that came and went. The Full Monty toured pretty extensively before heading to the West End - it's still closed early, obviously, but it's not quite the same - people saw it, just not in the West End.
It probably would have managed a decent WE run if it had started there.
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Post by Snciole on Oct 5, 2018 15:06:09 GMT
Just following on from above, I'm not so sure things like The Nether and The Inheritance would have transferred 20 years ago when Kenwright and Duncan C. Weldon revivals dominated Shaftesbury Avenue (although David Pugh made more effort back then, as did Robert Fox). The Nether didn't sell well in West End, possibly due to lack of big names (Fools, missing out on Stanley Townsend, he's such a babe) but it might not have been the right subject matter for the WE but I am glad there are producers taking the risk on challenging work that may not be that commercial but deserves to be seen by wider audiences who may have missed out.
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Post by zephyrus on Oct 5, 2018 19:56:30 GMT
True, new plays rarely open directly in the West End now. There are of course exceptions, like The Height of the Storm now, for example. Except The Height of the Storm has been on a short tour, so hasn't directly opened in the West End.
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Post by zephyrus on Oct 5, 2018 19:58:12 GMT
That production of The Full Monty was a play, and not a musical.
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Post by Rory on Oct 6, 2018 8:01:09 GMT
True, new plays rarely open directly in the West End now. There are of course exceptions, like The Height of the Storm now, for example. Except The Height of the Storm has been on a short tour, so hasn't directly opened in the West End. Yes, you're right.
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Post by Rory on Oct 20, 2018 9:06:54 GMT
This closes today. I had a look at the director's Twitter account and couldn't find one mention of this production.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 10:13:01 GMT
The lack of insight on the forum
Is quite amazing sometimes
The Nether
Transferred to the West End
As a tactical and critical move
As far as I am aware it ran for under 4 weeks at the Royal Court
Moving it to the West End
Meant it was eligible for awards nominations
As a result it was nominated
For:
Best new play Best set design Best supporting actor Best supporting actresses
And it won for best set
I doubt Fox Finder will be nominated for any awards
And to be honest I doubt The Inheritance Will get more than 4 nominations
Sometimes producers are thinking of other things
The Nether also completed its limited 12 week run
And I am not aware it made a loss
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Post by Rory on Oct 20, 2018 10:26:17 GMT
The lack of insight on the forum Is quite amazing sometimes I'm afraid I'm lacking insight into the point you're trying to make here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 10:41:56 GMT
This closes today. I had a look at the director's Twitter account and couldn't find one mention of this production. I found that odd, but it might have been a political thing regarding her Sherman exit. She did however tweet extensively about her recent work at the Abbey, crediting the Sherman for giving her 'opportunity' to do that, and the 'collaboration' and whatnot. So I can't help but think (and knowing a little of that theatre) that perhaps this 'time away' was not such a harmonious arrangement with her current AD job. Or that before she moves on to the Lyric she's keeping a low profile on this one so it doesn't follow her too closely. Anyway she was flitting about the Sherman at press night this week so she's not been eaten by a Fox or anything. She will have to change that twitter handle shortly though.
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Post by Rory on Oct 20, 2018 10:51:15 GMT
Yeah I just found the extensive plugs for the Abbey show and the Sherman made the total absence of anything to do with Foxfinder all the more pronounced. It's surely worth mentioning from time to ti.e when you have a show in the West End?
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Post by crowblack on Oct 20, 2018 11:15:16 GMT
It's surely worth mentioning from time to ti.e when you have a show in the West End? "Failure is an orphan"
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Post by Oleanna on Oct 21, 2018 2:51:50 GMT
I would have liked to have seen this, but it’s literally come and gone within 6 weeks. Especially surprising given the small venue and the names attached.
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