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Post by jgblunners on Feb 26, 2019 16:33:08 GMT
{Spoiler - click to view}Personally I didn't think there was anything dubious consent-wise with that scene. If I remember correctly, she tells him to start fingering her and Man encourages him through initial hesitance. He does then get a lot more confident, and I can see how his physicality could be seen as aggressive, but at no point did Woman seem uncomfortable. In fact, that whole sequence seemed to me to be about the power that both Man and Woman have over Ross - they are both controlling him and using him as a pawn in their game.
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Post by xxx on Feb 26, 2019 17:16:26 GMT
{Spoiler - click to view}Personally I didn't think there was anything dubious consent-wise with that scene. If I remember correctly, she tells him to start fingering her and Man encourages him through initial hesitance. He does then get a lot more confident, and I can see how his physicality could be seen as aggressive, but at no point did Woman seem uncomfortable. In fact, that whole sequence seemed to me to be about the power that both Man and Woman have over Ross - they are both controlling him and using him as a pawn in their game.
hmmmm....it did not seem to me like the Woman was enjoying it much...actually thought she was fighting him off once he got more aggressive and even pushed him off her
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 18:27:33 GMT
looked like she came to me, but by that point I was just desperate for someone to have some fun so I might be projecting
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Post by xxx on Feb 26, 2019 19:32:19 GMT
looked like she came to me, but by that point I was just desperate for someone to have some fun so I might be projecting
well, exactly...I thought so too first time around (when I was sitting far from stage) but second time front row I had a different impression....maybe she also changes it up?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 19:56:22 GMT
Oh goodness @happysooz I cackled at that and also.... {Spoiler - click to view} Perhaps it's a lesson for all the men in the audience: you can't do the same thing every time and expect a woman to come!?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 21:22:57 GMT
looked like she came to me, but by that point I was just desperate for someone to have some fun so I might be projecting
well, exactly...I thought so too first time around (when I was sitting far from stage) but second time front row I had a different impression....maybe she also changes it up?
In a performance that is so...nuanced (is that the term? tightly wound?) I’d be surprised if she could just change that as she fancied. It’s not like riffing in Defying Gravity. I would think that this moment of ‘release’ would be carefully orchestrated. Maybe I am projecting meaning where there might not be any...
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Post by xxx on Feb 26, 2019 21:29:20 GMT
well, exactly...I thought so too first time around (when I was sitting far from stage) but second time front row I had a different impression....maybe she also changes it up?
In a performance that is so...nuanced (is that the term? tightly wound?) I’d be surprised if she could just change that as she fancied. It’s not like riffing in Defying Gravity. I would think that this moment of ‘release’ would be carefully orchestrated. Maybe I am projecting meaning where there might not be any...
playscript says “violently orgasms” so maybe that was it and I just had trouble recognizing it 😃
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 21:34:12 GMT
In a performance that is so...nuanced (is that the term? tightly wound?) I’d be surprised if she could just change that as she fancied. It’s not like riffing in Defying Gravity. I would think that this moment of ‘release’ would be carefully orchestrated. Maybe I am projecting meaning where there might not be any...
playscript says “violently orgasms” so maybe that was it and I just had trouble recognizing it 😃
With a username like yours, that comes as a big surprise! I am tempted to read the play. Does it help?
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Post by xxx on Feb 26, 2019 22:16:16 GMT
playscript says “violently orgasms” so maybe that was it and I just had trouble recognizing it 😃
With a username like yours, that comes as a big surprise! I am tempted to read the play. Does it help? It helped me to read the play!
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Post by xxx on Feb 27, 2019 14:44:37 GMT
With a username like yours, that comes as a big surprise! I am tempted to read the play. Does it help? It helped me to read the play! my username....you think it has any special meaning? its literally like xyz or aaa or whatever...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 15:46:53 GMT
It helped me to read the play! my username....you think it has any special meaning? its literally like xyz or aaa or whatever... XXX is basically shorthand for porn. Google it (prob not when you’re in work though.) So yes, I did make an assumption.
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Post by xxx on Feb 27, 2019 16:57:35 GMT
my username....you think it has any special meaning? its literally like xyz or aaa or whatever... XXX is basically shorthand for porn. Google it (prob not when you’re in work though.) So yes, I did make an assumption. ok...was not aware of that....oh,welll....surprised anybody replies to me then 😃
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Post by mathh on Feb 27, 2019 17:11:27 GMT
Maybe people reply to you only because of your username. Don't underestimate us :/
I kinda want to see it again but this is not possible
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Post by xxx on Feb 27, 2019 21:32:29 GMT
Maybe people reply to you only because of your username. Don't underestimate us :/ I kinda want to see it again but this is not possible you seen it once?
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Post by xxx on Feb 27, 2019 21:35:16 GMT
Maybe people reply to you only because of your username. Don't underestimate us :/ I kinda want to see it again but this is not possible on the other hand, there is this streetwear brand that I really like that I do have a fair amount of stuff from - www.lifeisporno.com so maybe my username is not that far off 😃😃
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Post by NeilVHughes on Feb 27, 2019 22:44:33 GMT
Turns out I was not tortured enough.
My reticence to seeing it again was misplaced, this is a play that needs and deserves multiple viewing.
The depth, the writing, the performances, all are exceptional and more, much more than my earlier eulogising, again thank you those who returned their tickets.
Having seen two Crimp plays this year, I only wish that I had encountered his work earlier, will be actively searching out opportunities to see more of his work going forward.
This production deserves a further life.
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Post by asfound on Feb 28, 2019 10:24:18 GMT
Felt bad for the Chinese tourists in the front row yesterday. Were visibly saddened at being told by the staff at the beginning to turn off their phones and not take pictures, spent 2 hours sitting through incomprehensible dialogue even people with a reasonable grasp of the English language would struggle with, were visibly shocked at the blood, violence and strap on, clearly had no idea what was going on, and to top it all off had the flowers they had bought for Cate summarily handed to the other cast members during the curtain.
Second time seeing it myself, thought it was brilliant.
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Post by xxx on Feb 28, 2019 10:37:22 GMT
Turns out I was not tortured enough. My reticence to seeing it again was misplaced, this is a play that needs and deserves multiple viewing. The depth, the writing, the performances, all are exceptional and more, much more than my earlier eulogising, again thank you those who returned their tickets. Having seen two Crimp plays this year, I only wish that I had encountered his work earlier, will be actively searching out opportunities to see more of his work going forward. This production deserves a further life. I was actually almost crying at the thought that I can’t go see it third time....same thoughts about Crimp + Mitchell - will be on the lookout for their future productions
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Post by MrsCondomine on Feb 28, 2019 10:43:10 GMT
Felt bad for the Chinese tourists in the front row yesterday. Were visibly saddened at being told by the staff at the beginning to turn off their phones and not take pictures, spent 2 hours sitting through incomprehensible dialogue even people with a reasonable grasp of the English language would struggle with, were visibly shocked at the blood, violence and strap on, clearly had no idea what was going on, and to top it all off had the flowers they had bought for Cate summarily handed to the other cast members during the curtain. Second time seeing it myself, thought it was brilliant. People like this really try my commitment to believing in "theatre for everyone". Taking up good seats, trying to take photos and then attempting to try and foist flowers on someone? GRRRRR. Can't people do basic research on what they're going to see (answer from most of the stuff in this thread: No).
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Post by asfound on Feb 28, 2019 10:44:05 GMT
Turns out I was not tortured enough. My reticence to seeing it again was misplaced, this is a play that needs and deserves multiple viewing. The depth, the writing, the performances, all are exceptional and more, much more than my earlier eulogising, again thank you those who returned their tickets. Having seen two Crimp plays this year, I only wish that I had encountered his work earlier, will be actively searching out opportunities to see more of his work going forward. This production deserves a further life. I was actually almost crying at the thought that I can’t go see it third time....same thoughts about Crimp + Mitchell - will be on the lookout for their future productions The Crimp/Mitchell collaborations with George Benjamin and the Royal Opera House were excellent as well if they happen to put any of those on again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 12:04:48 GMT
Felt bad for the Chinese tourists in the front row yesterday. Were visibly saddened at being told by the staff at the beginning to turn off their phones and not take pictures, spent 2 hours sitting through incomprehensible dialogue even people with a reasonable grasp of the English language would struggle with, were visibly shocked at the blood, violence and strap on, clearly had no idea what was going on, and to top it all off had the flowers they had bought for Cate summarily handed to the other cast members during the curtain. Second time seeing it myself, thought it was brilliant. People like this really try my commitment to believing in "theatre for everyone". Taking up good seats, trying to take photos and then attempting to try and foist flowers on someone? GRRRRR. Can't people do basic research on what they're going to see (answer from most of the stuff in this thread: No). 'taking up good seats' They paid for them, therefore are as entitled to sit in them as anyone else. And as my learned Monkey says, they clearly did their research 'I want to see Cate Blanchett in a play' and did just that. I mean that's like saying I'm not entitled to be disappointed by 'All About Eve' when I went, on good faith of loving Anderson and Van Hove (well the latter some days) and then didn't like the play on reflection. I knew roughly what I was buying tickets for, but as in theatre and life, such things are always a gamble.
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Post by asfound on Feb 28, 2019 12:32:27 GMT
Felt bad for the Chinese tourists in the front row yesterday. Were visibly saddened at being told by the staff at the beginning to turn off their phones and not take pictures, spent 2 hours sitting through incomprehensible dialogue even people with a reasonable grasp of the English language would struggle with, were visibly shocked at the blood, violence and strap on, clearly had no idea what was going on, and to top it all off had the flowers they had bought for Cate summarily handed to the other cast members during the curtain. Second time seeing it myself, thought it was brilliant. People like this really try my commitment to believing in "theatre for everyone". Taking up good seats, trying to take photos and then attempting to try and foist flowers on someone? GRRRRR. Can't people do basic research on what they're going to see (answer from most of the stuff in this thread: No). I'm the last person to buy into this self-righteous "[insert typically middle class art form] is for everyone" bollocks (which I suspect is 90% about PR and marketing) but hey, at least they seemed engrossed by Cate Blanchett and didn't talk and get their phones out once it started. To be honest it seemed that the overwhelming majority were there just to see her anyway, so I doubt you would have got a hardcore Martin Crimp fan in their place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 12:43:49 GMT
What they said above as well. Tell me at least 80% of the audience weren't there just to see Cate.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Feb 28, 2019 12:54:23 GMT
For the ones there to see Cate, they definitely see Cate, her performance on stage is astounding to behold, the rawness and uninhibited portrayal of woman is awe inspiring, her character changes in an instant as she traverses the multiple personalities along the continium between the male and female persona.
Not really seen much of her film work and therefore didn’t have any expectations and can now fully understand why she is such a draw when she treads the boards.
Whether her fans appreciate the play is another matter, at least they will have had an opportunity to see something different which may pique their interest in seeing something similar and the perplexion when listening to the conversations on the way out is very interesting as they try to make sense of what they saw.
Found the gift giving at the end a bit cringeworthy and could see she wasn’t particularly thrilled having given her all over the previous two hours but should be expected as an a-lister who is the primary reason her devoted fans booked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 12:55:11 GMT
What they said above as well. Tell me at least 80% of the audience weren't there just to see Cate. Hell, I was there just to see Cate lolling about the stage with a dildo and I don't mind admitting it. You don't get that on 'The One Show'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:00:28 GMT
What they said above as well. Tell me at least 80% of the audience weren't there just to see Cate. Hell, I was there just to see Cate lolling about the stage with a dildo and I don't mind admitting it. You don't get that on 'The One Show'. And The One Show is the poorer for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:01:30 GMT
Felt bad for the Chinese tourists in the front row yesterday. Were visibly saddened at being told by the staff at the beginning to turn off their phones and not take pictures, spent 2 hours sitting through incomprehensible dialogue even people with a reasonable grasp of the English language would struggle with, were visibly shocked at the blood, violence and strap on, clearly had no idea what was going on, and to top it all off had the flowers they had bought for Cate summarily handed to the other cast members during the curtain. Second time seeing it myself, thought it was brilliant. People like this really try my commitment to believing in "theatre for everyone". Taking up good seats, trying to take photos and then attempting to try and foist flowers on someone? GRRRRR. Can't people do basic research on what they're going to see (answer from most of the stuff in this thread: No). Oh piffle. We've all gone to see something without really knowing what it's about and basing it on the cast. That's half of my theatre going life! I shouldn't have to do any revision before deciding whether I book for something. And good luck working out what the play is about before booking something at the Almeida if their website is anything to go by.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:07:02 GMT
Hell, I was there just to see Cate lolling about the stage with a dildo and I don't mind admitting it. You don't get that on 'The One Show'. And The One Show is the poorer for it. Indeed. Can you imagine it though? Alex: "On tonight's show, living with dementia. We speak to families caring for a loved one as they deal with the disease followed by Jack Bridges, the only living survivor of the Boer War on his recollections of life at war". Matt: "And before a live performance by Jane McDonald and the cast of 'Waitress', currently playing in London's glitzy West End, we talk dildos with Cate Blanchett and Alex and I will be trying a few out live on the show later". Alex: "But first, are you getting the best deal from your electricity supplier?"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:14:47 GMT
Whichever one of you it Yvette getting her knickers in a knot over on twitter, calm down dears, it's only a dildo...
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Post by crowblack on Feb 28, 2019 13:26:26 GMT
Found the gift giving at the end a bit cringeworthy People used to do it in theatre though, didn't they? At least that's the impression I get from old movies.
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