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Post by ali973 on Jan 31, 2018 11:02:19 GMT
This is supposed to happen in a Latin American country. The guys they've selected are blatantly white. And I hate it when they cast Molina as a pretty boy or a twink. They've just handled this so wrong in every possible way and went down a very conventional route.
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Post by crowblack on Jan 31, 2018 11:08:26 GMT
Well predicted! I've just booked.
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Post by che1978 on Jan 31, 2018 12:16:19 GMT
This is supposed to happen in a Latin American country. The guys they've selected are blatantly white. And I hate it when they cast Molina as a pretty boy or a twink. They've just handled this so wrong in every possible way and went down a very conventional route. This play takes place in Argentina. According to Wikipedia "most Argentines are descendants of these 19th and 20th century immigrants, with about 97% of the population being of European or partial European descent", which means they are Caucasian...
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Post by princeton on Jan 31, 2018 13:08:24 GMT
I’ve never seen the play - but I recall that in the novel and the film Molina identifies as a woman. Given that we live in far more enlightened times regarding trans matters than when previous versions were staged - it will be interesting to see what difference this makes to how the play is performed and received - especially given that this is a new adaptation. Interesting that the Menier website says it’s a tale of ‘two strikingly different men’ so perhaps in this version the character isn’t a trans woman or maybe it’s inadvertent misgendering - which is a particularly live issue at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 14:38:11 GMT
Pah. And I had money on Ricky Martin too.
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Post by littlesally on Feb 1, 2018 12:35:50 GMT
Pah. And I had money on Ricky Martin too. Or Alfonso Herrera!
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Post by anita on Feb 1, 2018 14:55:52 GMT
I thought this was a musical?
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Post by anita on Feb 1, 2018 14:57:42 GMT
Sorry - just read the thread & seen it's not the Kander & Ebb one.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 14, 2018 11:50:17 GMT
No-one seen this yet?
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Post by dontdreamit on Mar 14, 2018 23:05:44 GMT
I’ve just come back from seeing it. It was absolutely brilliant, I didn’t expect to enjoy it as much as I did. As an aside, when I was leaving I heard the people in front of me say that they’d thought it was the musical and had very surprised when it had started and it wasn’t!
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Post by alece10 on Mar 14, 2018 23:43:41 GMT
Saw it tonight too. Staging and set are excellent. Well acted. I'm not really a play person so my mind wandered a few times but that's me rather than the play. Be interested to hear what others think when they see it.
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Post by adventurer on Mar 15, 2018 6:05:52 GMT
Saw this on Tuesday. Really enjoyed it. Samuel Barnett excellent as Molina. V good set and direction too, and my mind didn’t wander once, due to the captivating performances by the leads. No interval,1 hour 40 mins straight through. Well worth a trip.
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Post by noboiscout on Mar 15, 2018 14:10:22 GMT
I still find it hard to pay £40 for a play, whether West End or Off. But thanks for the reviews alece10 and adventurer. I am tempted.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 15, 2018 14:16:59 GMT
I still find it hard to pay £40 for a play, whether West End or Off. But thanks for the reviews alece10 and adventurer. I am tempted. You can buy a ticket for 24£ on TodayTix, there's a 30% discount
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Post by david on Mar 15, 2018 21:02:11 GMT
Glad to hear it’s getting positive reviews. Initially wasn’t going to book for this, but I thought I would take a punt on it. Made up that it is a no interval play meaning I can zip back up to Euston straight after and get my train back up north.
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Post by damnfew on Mar 17, 2018 12:55:17 GMT
I bought a ticket to see tonight's performance. I also am a huge fan of the musical, but the casting looks great and the positive notices on the board convinced me to see the play. Excited to see what the Menier team does with it! Others have also said the production design and performances are stellar.
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Post by n1david on Mar 18, 2018 19:36:35 GMT
I was there last night, and I appreciated this greatly, but I do think it was a production I respected rather than loved. I thought the two performances were fantastic, and it's a compelling story (somehow I have managed to avoid previous productions of the play and the musical, the film and the original book).
It's beautifully done, the set is impressive and the staging is perfect - the evocation of the movies that Molina relates is marvellous - but for some reason I didn't fall in love with it.
It may be a problem with the Menier - I haven't been for a while, and I was back in row G, which felt like a long way from the performance (although it's only 7 rows), and boy those seats are tight, so if you're my size (not a waif but not huge either) you're spending the whole production silently negotiating with your neighbours about where to put your arms.
But this is really very good.
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Post by dontdreamit on Mar 18, 2018 19:51:17 GMT
I’ve just booked a ticket for the closing night. I was really taken by this production when I saw a preview last week and have reread the book (it’s got to be 20 years + since I last read it) in the days since. I’m interested to see how the performances develop over the run- both were absoluty compelling!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 21:11:05 GMT
I was there last night, and I appreciated this greatly, but I do think it was a production I respected rather than loved. . Agree 100%. I was also on row G but with four spare seats either side of us. If I had known, we would have shuffled down! I struggled to connect emotionally with it even though I thought it was beautifully staged and acted. I did find the guard a weak link, and her performance was notches and notches below the leads. Hadn’t been to the Menier before, I thought it was an interesting space (if very hot!) Having seen part of The Inheritance a couple of days before, seeing this and reading about Jose Rivera’s creative process, I could ‘t help but wish that Lopez had taken the same approch!
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Post by showgirl on Mar 19, 2018 4:40:31 GMT
I'm interested in seeing this but knew nothing of the plot (never seen the film or musical, nor can I recall why I chose not to), so I looked online for a summary and ended up very confused. Maybe I happened to find a version which wasn't that helpful, but is the story really as baffling and convoluted as it sounds, please, as if so, I'm not sure I'd be able to follow what was going on?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 19, 2018 4:42:46 GMT
The story is actually very straightforward, Two men thrown together in a prison cell - one a gay window dresser charged with interfering with a younger man and one a straight activist who has been fighting to overthrow the regime. They fight, share stories and find common ground. But others have an interest in manipulating them.
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Post by alece10 on Mar 19, 2018 7:41:12 GMT
The story is actually very straightforward, Two men thrown together in a prison cell - one a gay window dresser charged with interfering with a younger man and one a straight activist who has been fighting to overthrow the regime. They fight, share stories and find common ground. But others have an interest in manipulating them. I might just learn that by heart as when people ask me what the plot is i kind of waffle through it and end up confusing myself more.
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Post by crowblack on Mar 19, 2018 16:00:57 GMT
I saw it yesterday afternoon and loved it. I thought Samuel Barnett was captivating, vivid and vulnerable, the other actor a bit flatter - I'd have liked more of a sense of brooding political passion, though in both the performance and storyline he opens up as the play progresses. It's my first time at the Menier, and I had an excellent seat - central row B and (as there was a non-arrival in front) no-one in front of me. The staging was excellent - both in that and the setting/characters it reminded me of the Printroom's Deathwatch a couple of years ago, though this was tender where that was sharp and cruel. Btw, the production stills by Nobby Clark don't really do it justice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 16:32:23 GMT
How flexible is the Menier space? It felt like the perfect place to do a. Play set in a prison, all low ceilings and darkness. How much of the set was built for the play (specifically the runways with the cell doors?) and how much is standard Menier set? Are plays there always performed two side on (not sure of the specific term. Husband wanted to call it “in the round” but I said it couldn’t be because audience was only on two sides)?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 16:37:36 GMT
Hmmm... "thrust" is probably closest, I reckon, though usually a thrust stage has audience on three sides. And the space is pretty flexible; Barnum was done in the round, Assassins was traverse, Into the Woods was end-on. Love in Idleness and Travesties were the same sort of set-up as Spider Woman appears to be, so maybe they reserve the flexibility for the musicals and the plays are all done the same way.
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Post by alece10 on Mar 20, 2018 0:02:39 GMT
How flexible is the Menier space? It felt like the perfect place to do a. Play set in a prison, all low ceilings and darkness. How much of the set was built for the play (specifically the runways with the cell doors?) and how much is standard Menier set? Are plays there always performed two side on (not sure of the specific term. Husband wanted to call it “in the round” but I said it couldn’t be because audience was only on two sides)? The whole set was built for the play including the runways. The Menier is very flexible as its basically 4 walls with completely moveable seating. Ive seen it used in a number of ways over the years but cant remember the set being positioned as it is for Spider Woman before. Sometimes is proscenium, sometimes in the round and sometimes traverse. They have even the whole place decked out like a den and some of the audience sitting on the stage for What's it All About (The Bacharach show) Pippin had quite advanced projections and you entered the theatre through Pippin's bedroom.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 15:59:20 GMT
Well. I thought it was smashing. Not 'The York Realist' smashing but smashing all the same. In fact I enjoyed it so much that I forgot to sing the songs where the songs should have been.
The movie projections were very well done and really worked beautifully, especially as there were no set changes, Samuel Barnett is a very charismatic lead and there's a bit of a racy scene later on which was a pleasant surprise. I did quite fancy some dulce de leche and a crumpet afterwards though for some reason. I wasn't so convinced about the prison guard, she seemed a bit too nice. I had in my mind that she would have been more like she'd stepped off the set of 'Prisoner Cell Block H' really.
Barnett and Bennett (Bennett and Barnett) were marvellous though, Barnett a bit better than Bennett but Bennett was brilliant too.
Try saying that after a few technical difficulties.
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 5, 2018 0:53:38 GMT
Anyone know the running times please?
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Post by dontdreamit on Apr 5, 2018 5:02:54 GMT
Anyone know the running times please? It’s about 1 hour 40 mins, with no interval.
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 5, 2018 11:56:58 GMT
I still find it hard to pay £40 for a play, whether West End or Off. But thanks for the reviews alece10 and adventurer. I am tempted. You can buy a ticket for 24£ on TodayTix, there's a 30% discount You just saved me £15 for tomorrow night.
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