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Post by popcultureboy on Nov 25, 2017 9:41:48 GMT
Real talk though, am I the only one who thought it was so innapropriate for Jamie to kiss the straight guy against his will at the start of Act 2? I don't know what it was about it, but it hasn't sat right with me ever since I saw the show. I like to see guys kiss eachother as much as the next guy, but when it is against one of their will. I get the guy is a bit of a dick, but still. Just me? Yes, it's just you. Firstly, it's hardly "against his will". Dean is about to punch Jamie in that moment, so that quick peck on the lips from Jamie enables him to get out of that situation unharmed, using his flamboyant personality to do so, rather than his fists (which is clear wouldn't work against people like Dean). And for me it neatly referenced what every gay in the audience was thinking (that the most loudly homophobic are often the most tightly closeted). I had zero problems with that moment.
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Post by bramble on Nov 25, 2017 14:18:57 GMT
I thought this was ok. Its good to see different kind of musical in the West End. Bits of it were too mawkish for my taste but other bits were truly moving. And its very funny. Very well choreographed and acted.And good to see a mixed full house .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 14:48:48 GMT
Real talk though, am I the only one who thought it was so innapropriate for Jamie to kiss the straight guy against his will at the start of Act 2? I don't know what it was about it, but it hasn't sat right with me ever since I saw the show. I like to see guys kiss eachother as much as the next guy, but when it is against one of their will. I get the guy is a bit of a dick, but still. Just me? Yes, it's just you. Firstly, it's hardly "against his will". Dean is about to punch Jamie in that moment, so that quick peck on the lips from Jamie enables him to get out of that situation unharmed, using his flamboyant personality to do so, rather than his fists (which is clear wouldn't work against people like Dean). And for me it neatly referenced what every gay in the audience was thinking (that the most loudly homophobic are often the most tightly closeted). I had zero problems with that moment. Fair play, just me then. It didn't sit with me, but I interpreted it differently to you and most of the gay people in the audience clearly (being the one gay person in the audience who did apparently). But again, power of theatre, different opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 7:08:31 GMT
I've not seen the show so can't comment on this particular scene, but there can be a double standard when it comes to how some gay guys treat straight guys. It wouldn't be ok if it was a straight guy and a woman
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Post by HereForTheatre on Nov 26, 2017 7:57:27 GMT
All i know is when i went the scene received a mix of laughter and cheers. I never sensed any air of discomfort, people loved it.
Personally, i found nothing wrong with it and thought it was quite a good moment.
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Post by popcultureboy on Nov 26, 2017 9:32:39 GMT
I've not seen the show so can't comment on this particular scene, but there can be a double standard when it comes to how some gay guys treat straight guys. It wouldn't be ok if it was a straight guy and a woman Context. It's ALL about context. And in this particular context, if it were a straight guy and a woman, there would be no problem with how it played out either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 12:50:39 GMT
As I said, it may of just been me out of every, single audience member who has seen this show who felt it a bit dodgy, and thats absolutely fine.
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Post by ali973 on Nov 26, 2017 22:27:31 GMT
I saw this again on Saturday and took a friend. Audience seemed to even love it more than they did during the preview.
It seemed tighter and more together than it did in previews as well.
I think they've done some cuts already. I think there was a scene when the blonde drag queen talks about a man that just dumped her, and the larger drag queen gets a Grindr ping on her phone. That seems to have been completely yanked off.
Well deserved standing ovation at the end, which I did not hesitate to give, and I'm very stingy with my standing ovations.
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Post by bellboard27 on Nov 26, 2017 22:41:14 GMT
I saw this again on Saturday and took a friend. Audience seemed to even love it more than they did during the preview. It seemed tighter and more together than it did in previews as well. I think they've done some cuts already. I think there was a scene when the blonde drag queen talks about a man that just dumped her, and the larger drag queen gets a Grindr ping on her phone. That seems to have been completely yanked off. Well deserved standing ovation at the end, which I did not hesitate to give, and I'm very stingy with my standing ovations. Always good to have the right things yanked off.
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Post by Stephen on Nov 30, 2017 3:16:55 GMT
Heres the thing. Its a tough show to label and that could be a detriment. Because I assumed it was just a drag show, but if you look at for example this and Kinky Boots, for alot of people (meaning general public ) they would naturally go Kinky Boots over this because its know, its already had a long run qnd it still gets great word of mouth and has a large fanbase. It needs to steer more toward the Billy Eliott crowd in order to really run. Which can only be done really through promo at this point in order to get em in. How is it selling, do we know? At this point I imagine selling just above 'ok'. There were still plenty of seats left for tomorrow when I booked yesterday. Managed a fairly good seat in the Dress Circle for £35. Going with the 'lads', which I am not, I do wonder what they'll make of it all!
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Post by Stephen on Dec 1, 2017 3:42:56 GMT
I saw Jamie tonight with some friends. We enjoyed it but it isn't anything to write home about...
There are touching moments and some funny lines but the music wasn't anything special (we thought)
It was all quite 'fun' but nothing groundbreaking.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 1, 2017 10:33:39 GMT
bellboard 27 said: "I'm very stingy with my standing ovations." Good, but why not eliminate them completely, since they are selfish, forcing the people behind to stand if they want to see the finale? I think they've become a fad mainly because they've been encouraged on those TV talent contests, where the producers want a dramatic moment of a whole audience rising to its feet.
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Post by bellboard27 on Dec 1, 2017 17:26:41 GMT
bellboard 27 said: "I'm very stingy with my standing ovations." Good, but why not eliminate them completely, since they are selfish, forcing the people behind to stand if they want to see the finale? I think they've become a fad mainly because they've been encouraged on those TV talent contests, where the producers want a dramatic moment of a whole audience rising to its feet. I did not say that! I refer to a post on another musical thread that already pointed out that there is a specific thread about standing ovations.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 2, 2017 3:12:30 GMT
Having digested the evening spent at the Apollo Theatre I am now able to construct a better review of the musical. I went into the theatre without really high expectations due to the word of mouth that i'd heard and having gone with my three macho male friends was excited to see their reactions to a sure to be 'camp' evening. The good: I enjoyed seeing a new British musical with fairly local humour and a fresh contemporary feel. There are some good 'one liners' which the young audience ate up although many missed the lovely Sunset Boulevard reference which I found hilarious. I felt like the only gay in the theatre at that moment. Alas, I was not! The set design was simple and, for the most part I thought, effective. It has to be said though that the desks appear clunky when compared with the brilliant use of them in Matilda. The cast are talented and energetic. The not so good: Set changes occasionally seemed a bit clunky with stagehands very obvious and lingering a little too long. For me, the bigger musical numbers felt undersung in parts. The frantic choreography probably didn't help this. The music, for me, was the weakest part of the production. I was sat wondering if it would have been more enjoyable as a play! Simple repetititive lyrics and unforgettable melodies felt as though they were interrrupting the action rather than helping it along. It is annoying in a British musical to hear characters singing in a mixture of US accents and British during the same song. In the end we have unfinished stories but a strong final message about being yourself and owning it. I saw this on a £35 ticket which is about the most I would like to pay for the show. The theatre wasn't full. This is no Billy Elliot but it isn't the worst evening out either!
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 2, 2017 3:45:11 GMT
We know this ain’t going to win the Olivier, Tina Turner: The Musical has got this already.
But as I mentioned earlier it is on the corner of Soho, a massive area financially for the pink pound, why wouldn’t a couple in a same sex relationship, not see this and maybe go on to a club or a meal, for a perfect evening out. Being in such a small theatre it could run a bit. Surprised this is doing a midweek and Saturday matinee, I see zero appeal for this from your regular matinee crowd, they should do a early evening and a late night performance on a Friday/Saturday night, we have night tune now. Also do promotions with people like Heaven and other clubs.
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Post by ali973 on Dec 2, 2017 5:43:06 GMT
I agree that the Sunset Boulevard line was totally lost on both crowds I sat through.
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Post by showgirl on Dec 2, 2017 6:06:50 GMT
We know this ain’t going to win the Olivier, Tina Turner: The Musical has got this already. But as I mentioned earlier it is on the corner of Soho, a massive area financially for the pink pound, why wouldn’t a couple in a same sex relationship, not see this and maybe go on to a club or a meal, for a perfect evening out. Being in such a small theatre it could run a bit. Surprised this is doing a midweek and Saturday matinee, I see zero appeal for this from your regular matinee crowd, they should do a early evening and a late night performance on a Friday/Saturday night, we have night tune now. Also do promotions with people like Heaven and other clubs. I see your point Phantom of London of London, but some of us like matinees and I'm certainly hoping to catch one midweek. Though of course the longevity of the show is what counts.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 2, 2017 8:12:05 GMT
I agree that the Sunset Boulevard line was totally lost on both crowds I sat through. I know I was shocked! Also worth mentioning how great it was seeing such a mixed crowd on Thursday night!
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Post by ali973 on Dec 2, 2017 8:14:34 GMT
Speaking of references..I have to say I was pretty impressed with myself for understanding all the very British references..except the person that Pretty refers to as "she was like Beyonce a long time ago." Anyone remind me who she refers to?
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Post by stageyninja83 on Dec 2, 2017 10:29:41 GMT
Speaking of references..I have to say I was pretty impressed with myself for understanding all the very British references..except the person that Pretty refers to as "she was like Beyonce a long time ago." Anyone remind me who she refers to? Emmeline Pankhurst, leader of the suffragette movement.
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Post by ali973 on Dec 2, 2017 10:40:25 GMT
That's really funny.
Any news on the cast recording?
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Post by kryz1000 on Dec 3, 2017 8:44:40 GMT
I really hope this does well. It deserves to. A ‘proper’ new musical that’s homegrown in every sense and which is confident enough to speak with its own voice rather than trying to emulate what a ‘musical is supposed to be like these days’.
There’s four or five standout performances that make it worth the price of a ticket alone and a really healthy number of showstopping numbers too. Great to see a young debut-heavy cast having a blast.
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Post by zahidf on Dec 3, 2017 12:00:02 GMT
Saw this yesterday: was great i thought. Funny and a lot of heart
I had front row tics fron todaytix: restricted view id say for some songs
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Post by sf on Dec 3, 2017 15:51:25 GMT
Surprised this is doing a midweek and Saturday matinee, I see zero appeal for this from your regular matinee crowd, they should do a early evening and a late night performance on a Friday/Saturday night, we have night tune now. Also do promotions with people like Heaven and other clubs. Night tube? Matinees aren't just for people in London. On a Saturday, the last train from London to where I live is at 9pm. On a weeknight, there's an 11pm train, but it (in theory) doesn't arrive until 2am (it often arrives early). Given that I live 200 miles from London, I manage to see quite a lot - but without matinee performances, I'd have far fewer choices. Staying overnight isn't always an option. And anyway, I saw "...Jamie" at a matinee in Sheffield in February (far closer to home, but still not easy to get back from an evening performance without a car). If the show has "zero appeal" for "your regular matinee crowd", it didn't matter: that performance was completely sold out.
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Post by Dan213 on Dec 3, 2017 16:01:35 GMT
Surprised this is doing a midweek and Saturday matinee, I see zero appeal for this from your regular matinee crowd, they should do a early evening and a late night performance on a Friday/Saturday night, we have night tune now. Also do promotions with people like Heaven and other clubs. Night tube? Matinees aren't just for people in London. On a Saturday, the last train from London to where I live is at 9pm. On a weeknight, there's an 11pm train, but it (in theory) doesn't arrive until 2am (it often arrives early). Given that I live 200 miles from London, I manage to see quite a lot - but without matinee performances, I'd have far fewer choices. Staying overnight isn't always an option. And anyway, I saw "...Jamie" at a matinee in Sheffield in February (far closer to home, but still not easy to get back from an evening performance without a car). If the show has "zero appeal" for "your regular matinee crowd", it didn't matter: that performance was completely sold out. Agree with this completely. Last train back to Sheffield is at around half 8 so I'm pretty much restricted to seeing a matinee if I go down to London during uni term times. I would have thought this also applies to many of the coach day trips that visit London that usually leave around 7 ish in the evening
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 3, 2017 16:26:25 GMT
Same here. Can’t get back to Manchester after a Saturday evening performance in London. Last train is at 21:50. Did a matinee a couple of months ago which was a long day but possible when avoiding an expensive overnight stay.
And I also saw Jamie at a matinee and it was full.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 4, 2017 4:02:39 GMT
Surprised this is doing a midweek and Saturday matinee, I see zero appeal for this from your regular matinee crowd, they should do a early evening and a late night performance on a Friday/Saturday night, we have night tune now. Also do promotions with people like Heaven and other clubs. Night tube? Matinees aren't just for people in London. On a Saturday, the last train from London to where I live is at 9pm. On a weeknight, there's an 11pm train, but it (in theory) doesn't arrive until 2am (it often arrives early). Given that I live 200 miles from London, I manage to see quite a lot - but without matinee performances, I'd have far fewer choices. Staying overnight isn't always an option. And anyway, I saw "...Jamie" at a matinee in Sheffield in February (far closer to home, but still not easy to get back from an evening performance without a car). If the show has "zero appeal" for "your regular matinee crowd", it didn't matter: that performance was completely sold out. Night tube? Matinees aren't just for people in London. On a Saturday, the last train from London to where I live is at 9pm. On a weeknight, there's an 11pm train, but it (in theory) doesn't arrive until 2am (it often arrives early). Given that I live 200 miles from London, I manage to see quite a lot - but without matinee performances, I'd have far fewer choices. Staying overnight isn't always an option. And anyway, I saw "...Jamie" at a matinee in Sheffield in February (far closer to home, but still not easy to get back from an evening performance without a car). If the show has "zero appeal" for "your regular matinee crowd", it didn't matter: that performance was completely sold out. Agree with this completely. Last train back to Sheffield is at around half 8 so I'm pretty much restricted to seeing a matinee if I go down to London during uni term times. I would have thought this also applies to many of the coach day trips that visit London that usually leave around 7 ish in the evening Same here. Can’t get back to Manchester after a Saturday evening performance in London. Last train is at 21:50. Did a matinee a couple of months ago which was a long day but possible when avoiding an expensive overnight stay. And I also saw Jamie at a matinee and it was full. The last train back to Sheffield isn’t 8:30 and that isn’t even without looking it up. I have the same problem when I go up north, this is resolved by booking a hotel room for the night, it isn’t expensive and I do this knowing I don’t have as much choice and the standard is no where as good as London.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Dec 4, 2017 9:29:17 GMT
I never knew going to a matinee was such a controversial action!
I'm glad that at least some people have enough money they can book a hotel everytime they want to see something away from their home town.
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Post by Dan213 on Dec 4, 2017 9:46:31 GMT
Night tube? Matinees aren't just for people in London. On a Saturday, the last train from London to where I live is at 9pm. On a weeknight, there's an 11pm train, but it (in theory) doesn't arrive until 2am (it often arrives early). Given that I live 200 miles from London, I manage to see quite a lot - but without matinee performances, I'd have far fewer choices. Staying overnight isn't always an option. And anyway, I saw "...Jamie" at a matinee in Sheffield in February (far closer to home, but still not easy to get back from an evening performance without a car). If the show has "zero appeal" for "your regular matinee crowd", it didn't matter: that performance was completely sold out. Agree with this completely. Last train back to Sheffield is at around half 8 so I'm pretty much restricted to seeing a matinee if I go down to London during uni term times. I would have thought this also applies to many of the coach day trips that visit London that usually leave around 7 ish in the evening Same here. Can’t get back to Manchester after a Saturday evening performance in London. Last train is at 21:50. Did a matinee a couple of months ago which was a long day but possible when avoiding an expensive overnight stay. And I also saw Jamie at a matinee and it was full. The last train back to Sheffield isn’t 8:30 and that isn’t even without looking it up. I have the same problem when I go up north, this is resolved by booking a hotel room for the night, it isn’t expensive and I do this knowing I don’t have as much choice and the standard is no where as good as London. Sorry was only 26 minutes out it’s 20:56. Not everyone can afford to book a hotel on top of a train ticket
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Post by Honoured Guest on Dec 4, 2017 11:39:19 GMT
Sorry was only 26 minutes out it’s 20:56. Not everyone can afford to book a hotel on top of a train ticket And I seem to recall that Phantom has a free travel pass for the railway whereas the rest of us would have to risk hiding in toilets.
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