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Post by ali973 on Aug 17, 2018 10:15:04 GMT
It's been getting some terrible reviews (UK critics seemed to like it though). I'm not sure how much it'll affect the box office though. I'm all about audiences finding their preferences, but come on..look at it. I'm finding it hard to be convinced by anyone who thinks this is objectively good to look at or nice to listen to. I think it will do fine for a while, and pull through the fall and eventually will do better business again in Christmas. It will probably suffer most during the winter from Jan to March, and won't be able to compete against the new shows that will open by the spring. It'll shut down, announce a tour, and will make its lost money on the tour circuit by late 2019 onto 2020.
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Post by viserys on Aug 17, 2018 10:31:32 GMT
Stage Entertainment is one of the producers, so we can be sure to have clones sprouting in their continental European domains like Germany, Netherlands, France, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:45:02 GMT
But who am I to object if people want to spend their night seeing bad theatre? Who are we to object if you want to be a condescending idiot about it? You love Moulin Rogue...and from memory spent a lot of time and money on The Bodyguard too....some people love Mama Mia... how about live and let live without making judgement of taste about it? Oh wait, that would stop you (and others) feeling somehow morally superior based on entertainment tastes. It's also possible to love Shakespeare and Brecht and The Band's Visit or Fun Home and still enjoy a musical like Pretty Woman. Because people are (gasp) multi faceted individuals...
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Post by kathryn on Aug 17, 2018 10:52:15 GMT
It's been getting some terrible reviews (UK critics seemed to like it though). I'm not sure how much it'll affect the box office though. I'm all about audiences finding their preferences, but come on..look at it. I'm finding it hard to be convinced by anyone who thinks this is objectively good to look at or nice to listen to. There's no accounting for taste! I was always rather surprised by the film being considered romantic, myself, when you consider the actual storyline, but they changed the more down-beat ending (where she actually leaves and uses the money to go back to school and get herself a proper career) to the one it has now (where she gets explicitly compared to a beautiful object and gives up her independent career ambitions to be a trophy wife) after test-screening feedback, and people obviously love it....
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Post by ali973 on Aug 17, 2018 11:06:36 GMT
I appreciate that people love the film. I am also not dismissing fluff shows, jukebox musicals or movie to musicals adaptations. I can understand people who are interested in seeing this adaptation, but what I am being judgmental of is the lack of taste in this production and its creative components.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 17, 2018 11:44:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 11:59:27 GMT
I'm impressed Monkey not even my useless knowledge extended to that one. Also how expensive is Disneyland that it was a college course OR Disney?!
I appreciate the film isn't for everybody. But I will say let's not pretend it's the only romcom we could rip apart for 'questionable' themes eh?
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Post by kathryn on Aug 17, 2018 12:55:58 GMT
Of course not - you'd be hard pressed to find a an entirely un-'problematic' rom-com!
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Post by poster J on Aug 17, 2018 13:01:10 GMT
I'm finding it hard to be convinced by anyone who thinks this is objectively good to look at or nice to listen to. No wonder you are finding it hard - there is no such thing as objectively good. Whether something is "good" in that sense (as opposed to, say, good for your health) is entirely subjective.
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Post by ali973 on Aug 17, 2018 13:19:51 GMT
Is this just because I said I have better taste than you? Sorry! (But I do!)
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Post by poster J on Aug 17, 2018 13:47:07 GMT
Is this just because I said I have better taste than you? Sorry! (But I do!) No, it's because you said something that was factually incorrect. And you come across as if you are deliberately choosing not to understand the difference between fact and opinion, and that there is no such thing as better taste. If you're attempting to joke, it isn't coming across well and it isn't funny.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 13:59:33 GMT
Also how expensive is Disneyland that it was a college course OR Disney Back then was just before the Pressler era when Disneyland ticket prices spiralled out of all control. So, my guess is that the financial transaction didn't end well. Again this is a wonderful intersection of two of your interests isn't it? (by interests I don't just mean 'ogling Julia Roberts') And on other notes; Vivian is more kick ass than many a romcom wet blanket heroine. And on another: taste is subjective and that's a fact (if we're doing ridiculous deliberate twisting of words to make a point).
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Post by ali973 on Aug 17, 2018 14:13:11 GMT
Back then was just before the Pressler era when Disneyland ticket prices spiralled out of all control. So, my guess is that the financial transaction didn't end well. And on another: taste is subjective and that's a fact (if we're doing ridiculous deliberate twisting of words to make a point). In that case, you should check out Petty Woman - The Musical. You'd love it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 14:38:01 GMT
Goodness. Andy Karl aside, that is one fugly looking show. It's like they built half a set and thought "yeah, that'll do".
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 17, 2018 18:51:34 GMT
Samantha has got the Roberts-esque coat hanger-in-gob smile down to a tee if the clips are anything to go by. Her cheeks must be killing her. But given the faithful replication of all the other costumes, why change the polka dot dress from brown to blue?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 19, 2018 19:22:05 GMT
Maybe because brown doesn't work so well on a stage - it blends with the floor etc? Big mistake. Huge.
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Post by MoreLife on Aug 22, 2018 15:48:35 GMT
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Post by mallardo on Aug 22, 2018 17:34:52 GMT
I think it will come to the West End and be a huge hit. It's playing to 100% capacity at the Nederlander Theatre and setting house box office records. It's one of those shows, like Wicked and Mama Mia, where the critics are irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 17:45:25 GMT
Well Andy Karl is probably just thrilled to be in a hit again after the last disaster.
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Post by ali973 on Aug 22, 2018 19:19:00 GMT
It's a new musical that is appearing during a not so busy season. It's also summer, and there are a lot tourists. It will sell well for the next six months and even do well during the holidays and Christmas. But January to March will be brutal when the tourists disappear. It requires New Yorkers to want to see it, and New Yorkers have a lot more options, and their New York Times told them not to. It'll make some cash now and then close shop and make a lot more cash on tour. It's a bad show, but not a bad enterprise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 19:37:48 GMT
I think it will come to the West End and be a huge hit. It's playing to 100% capacity at the Nederlander Theatre and setting house box office records. It's one of those shows, like Wicked and Mama Mia, where the critics are irrelevant.
Also Monkey and Mallardo will help keep it in business over here
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Post by mallardo on Aug 22, 2018 20:23:17 GMT
It's a new musical that is appearing during a not so busy season. It's also summer, and there are a lot tourists. It will sell well for the next six months and even do well during the holidays and Christmas. But January to March will be brutal when the tourists disappear. It requires New Yorkers to want to see it, and New Yorkers have a lot more options, and their New York Times told them not to. It'll make some cash now and then close shop and make a lot more cash on tour. It's a bad show, but not a bad enterprise.
My crystal ball looks rosier than yours. No show survives on the Manhattan crowd with all their "options". As well as tourists - and the tourists never "disappear" from New York - this one seems to be attracting the suburbanites, the so-called bridge and tunnel folks - note the success of A Bronx Tale to see what that means at the box office - and, especially, it's strongly attracting a young-ish female audience, which means everything. Bad Show? I haven't seen it. But audiences are clearly responding to it.
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Post by songbird on Aug 23, 2018 1:02:57 GMT
Saw this last week. Just god awful. Only slightly redeeming feature is Sam Barks.
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Post by viserys on Sept 21, 2018 7:45:02 GMT
Bloody hell. I was so prepared to hate Pretty Woman for so many reasons - the stupid premise to begin with, the lame decision to slap another popular movie onto the stage with little inspiration or creativity and everything I heard about the Broadway production.
But having listened to the cast recording now... well, consider me sold. I'm enjoying it a lot, with some very typical Bryan Adams soft rock tunes. Which I like. Shoot me. I'm a child of the 80s and I had "Everything I do" on a loop back then. Much prefer this to what @sharpe12 called the "teenage angst American soft pop" of recent shows that are just noise to my ears.
Dang it, I might actually go and see this now when I'm in NY next spring. Because Andy Karl. Nuff Said.
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Post by iamamazing on Sept 21, 2018 8:30:10 GMT
Listened to the cast album and really enjoyed it it’s nothhing ground breaking but I can see this lasting well into 2020 at least with a west end production in late 2020 if they want to bring it in. This is the last musical I’ve booked to see on my January/feb trip next year and I’m actually looking forward to this. Btw how discounted will most shows be as I’m looking at seeing mean girls and King Kong as well and Cher and more as well thanks guys 😊😊😊
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Post by iamamazing on Sept 21, 2018 18:40:04 GMT
WHAT ABOUT THE SAVOY FOR THIS SHOW
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Post by musicalmarge on Sept 22, 2018 1:56:15 GMT
WHAT ABOUT THE SAVOY FOR THIS SHOW Don’t shout
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Post by ali973 on Sept 22, 2018 6:21:01 GMT
I listened to it on the stair master for 30 minutes this morning. It was like listening to one long track.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 6:46:35 GMT
WHAT ABOUT THE SAVOY FOR THIS SHOW Don’t shout Erm... that is literally your preferred posting style though. There were plenty I could have chosen from: NETWORK?!! LEHMAN TRILOGY? OMG Can someone PLEASE CAST AN AUDREY WHO CAN SING?!! Rant over .......
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