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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 19, 2017 10:36:22 GMT
Quite an eye-opener. I imagined Norton to be at the top but Chris Evens? I wouldn't pay the kn*b in rusty washers! news.sky.com/story/chris-evans-top-bbc-earner-as-pay-list-reveals-gender-gap-10953611Also, Claudia Winkelman highest paid woman? How does that happen? Presumably she's getting more than Tess because she does radio aswell? Mind you she'll be needing most of her half a mill to stock up on black eyeliner As for Gary Linekar..... Of course what's going to happen now is a stempede of BBC talent challenging their employer about other people getting more for similar jobs so the pay bill will increase.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 19, 2017 10:43:17 GMT
ALEX JONES? ? How can she earn more than Fiona Bruce and nearly as much as Lady Claudia of Winkles? Speechless I am. Speechless I tell you.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Jul 19, 2017 10:44:03 GMT
The gender difference is pretty shocking but we could have found that without this attempt at scapegoating.
As for overall, these are going to be much less than for the commercial sector in most instances, we need those to be revealed to be able to comment adequately (and see if the gender gap is there or even greater). We have such a small part of the picture that it means nothing, actors, production companies, commercial rivals. I imagine Norton also has other revenue streams that bypass this area, for example.
It just seems to a vindictive attack on small percentage of the entertainment industry.
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Post by emicardiff on Jul 19, 2017 10:44:39 GMT
There are very serious points to be made. But also Charlie off of Casualty gets more than an actual Timelord.
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Post by d'James on Jul 19, 2017 10:45:59 GMT
I don't know the dates the pay covered but Claudia did present the Sewing Bee and one series of Film 2016 in 2016.
I never understand why Chris Evans gets paid so much. I don't dislike him but he's nothing special.
I don't object to some of them getting paid what they do as it's a competitive industry, it's when they're not very good that it's bizarre. A lot of the people high up on the list have been loyal to the BBC so, again, I don't mind.
Some of the acting salaries are beyond me (I watch the programmes involved), I think some of it is down to loyalty, but a couple of them are way too high.
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Post by d'James on Jul 19, 2017 10:46:59 GMT
There are very serious points to be made. But also Charlie off of Casualty gets more than an actual Timelord. He has been doing it for thirty years (for some unknown reason).
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Post by emicardiff on Jul 19, 2017 10:48:22 GMT
There are very serious points to be made. But also Charlie off of Casualty gets more than an actual Timelord. He has been doing it for thirty years (for some unknown reason). True, it's the ultimate in getting paid a lot simply by hanging around a long time!!
How the man has not lost his mind doing that dull acting job for 30 years is frankly deserving of a hefty paycheck.
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Post by Baemax on Jul 19, 2017 10:49:35 GMT
In fairness, Charlie's wages probably have as much to do with his long service as anything at this point, which a Timelord will never quite be able to manage. I don't mind the idea of high wages for big names anywhere near as much as I'm spitting feathers over the highest paid white man getting more than four times as much as the highest paid white woman, and the fact that Chris Evans could pay George Alagiah or Mishal Husain's wages himself and still take home £2million in a good year. Director general Tony Hall is the master of the understatement when he says there is "more to do" on gender and diversity.
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Post by emicardiff on Jul 19, 2017 10:52:53 GMT
A valid point a friend made on twitter; relative to say footballer wages these are small change.
I also don't mind them being paid a lot- most of those on the highest wages are either top 'talent' (well mostly) and/or longitude of service (I'm mocking wee Charlie/Martin Freeman's Dad but he's put in the time and been an 'anchor' for the show) But the differences between pay is for gender/BAME is obviously the bigger issue.
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Post by d'James on Jul 19, 2017 10:53:56 GMT
He has been doing it for thirty years (for some unknown reason). True, it's the ultimate in getting paid a lot simply by hanging around a long time!!
How the man has not lost his mind doing that dull acting job for 30 years is frankly deserving of a hefty paycheck.
Im sure I've read that he's had his number of episodes cut per year to stop his salary being even higher. Amanda Mealing and Cathy Shipton are the perplexing ones for me.
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Post by Baemax on Jul 19, 2017 10:58:07 GMT
I assume Cathy Shipton gets some kind of longevity bonus too even though she's come and gone more than once over the years.
How is John Inverdale worth so much? I wouldn't pay 20p to put him out if his shoes were on fire.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 19, 2017 11:00:25 GMT
How is John Inverdale worth so much? Aw. I love John Inver. There was a discussion on this very subject recently in the Wimbledon thread and I do realise I am in a majority here.............of one!
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Post by d'James on Jul 19, 2017 11:01:09 GMT
That's the only thing I can think about Cathy Shipton but it's not like she was an in demand actress and they had to poach her from elsewhere. I'd get rid of all three of the highest paid from Casualty.
I'm surprised Sue Perkins is not on the list. The Bake Off would be in that time period plus she does other bits.
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Post by d'James on Jul 19, 2017 11:05:05 GMT
I've just read that it might be because that was produced by an independent production company. Although, wouldn't that mean Graham Norton wouldn't be so high up the list?!
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Post by peelee on Jul 19, 2017 11:19:19 GMT
I think the figure I saw for BBC presenter Gary Lineker was £1.75m per annum. Staggering in its own right, but then he also pops up on subscription channel BT Sport on some of the football programmes so that is another undeclared-here source of income from a private company. Perhaps he gets the money for the being the least worse football programme presenter there is, bloody awful puns and all.
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Post by infofreako on Jul 19, 2017 11:19:21 GMT
That's the only thing I can think about Cathy Shipton but it's not like she was an in demand actress and they had to poach her from elsewhere. I'd get rid of all three of the highest paid from Casualty. I'm surprised Sue Perkins is not on the list. The Bake Off would be in that time period plus she does other bits. Without checking is Bake Off not through a production company in the same way that Graham Nortons figure only includes his radio work as his tv show isnt produced in house. Source on Graham Norton info. Interview thats just gone out on radio 2
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 12:01:37 GMT
Some are paid via Private Companies so no Mary Berry, Matt LeBlanc. Radio 2 appears to be the place to work - I would have thought Ken Bruce and Jo Wiley would have been on more than Lauren Laverne especially as Jo does Glastonbury and Ken has been on Radio 2 for like 35 years.
Louise Minchin not being listed is a surprise as she is main BBC Breakfast female and does Triathlon presenting too, Naga is on the list and Dan Walker does Football Focus to boost his earnings.
Leftie Lineker must be raking it in, with this salary and his lucrative Walkers Crisps contract on top. Jason Mohammed being higher than Gabby Logan, Jon Agnew and Clare Balding is a surprise too.
On the News side, I'd have thought John Simpson would have been higher given his seniority and length of service.
No mention of Sir David Attenborough either.
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Post by infofreako on Jul 19, 2017 12:08:41 GMT
Looks like David Attenborough is production company based too
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 12:13:52 GMT
Graham Norton earns a lot via a production company too, I would have thought Evans would have gone this route as he had the old Ginger and UMTV companies back in the day. Also people can be paid for different roles - the old Dallas way whereby Larry Hagman would get producer, associate director credits to pay him extra as he was the main star but also so his acting pay didn't dwarf the rest of the cast's contracts.
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Post by emicardiff on Jul 19, 2017 12:27:11 GMT
Also excluded are BBC Worldwide which Top Gear now comes under.
Valid point from Dan Walker on twitter- his higher earnings than the women of BBC Breakfast are because he works on Football focus as well- they get the same for Breakfast.
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Post by d'James on Jul 19, 2017 12:35:51 GMT
The only salaries I think are outrageous are the ones over £500,000. I don't feel great talking about other people's earnings at the best of times and I can't see many positive effects of publishing these.
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Post by infofreako on Jul 19, 2017 12:45:17 GMT
I'm with you on that. Nothing good is likely to come of this. As has become clear today much of the top talent is paid through other companies anyway, I would imagine that this wonderful new 'transparency' will just lead to more similar arrangements.
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Post by vdcni on Jul 19, 2017 13:52:44 GMT
Apart from the hope this makes the BBC look again at the gender disparity (though some of that is covered by the different programmes they present) this is a pointless waste of time purely done to give the anti BBC tabloids some ammunition.
It's interesting that Tory MP's weren't so keen on transparency when it was applied to their expenses and how much more do the editor of the Daily Mail and Sun earn than anyone at the BBC?
Given that we don't have the figures for the commercial sector it is impossible to put these in a wider context. Gary Linker may look expensive but if his ITV equivalent earns more then is it that bad.
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Post by tmesis on Jul 19, 2017 14:16:17 GMT
Interested Lineker gets so much dosh.
I used to give one of his sons instrumental lessons and he was always the slowest one to cough-up the lesson fee.
Multiple invoices always used to have to be sent out before I received his (Coutts) cheque.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 19, 2017 14:17:41 GMT
These figures are pointless without context. It's impossible for us to understand them properly so all it's doing is whipping up bad feeling about the BBC. Having experienced TV in the US for the past couple of weeks I can say with confidence that whatever the BBC is paying people, it's worth it!
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Post by emicardiff on Jul 19, 2017 14:18:34 GMT
Also what's missing are the relative salaries they pay to their 'non talent' staff. While many middling to managerial roles get a really good salary at the Beeb their bottom rung employees don't get much (and from their job descriptions are required to do Tea- Shop Theatre levels of grovelling to get there...though at least at the Beeb there's a CHANCE of a decent salary one day I guess)
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 19, 2017 14:33:40 GMT
I used to give one of his sons instrumental lessons and he was always the slowest one to cough-up the lesson fee. I cannot tell you how disgusted I am to hear this. Shocking. (Off topic but I once worked in an exclusive private school near Marbella which was going through severe financial trouble. A letter went out one day threatening to send home any child in a taxi whose parents had not paid their fees by a certain date. On said date 26 children were discharged in taxis.)
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Post by lynette on Jul 19, 2017 16:05:58 GMT
We can't really see what is happening because as said above some are paid through production companies. It does seem a bit murky to me trawling through other people's earnings but then if they get our dosh via the licence fee then I suppose we are entitled to know. So does anyone know what the 'lower' ranks earn, the reporters like that gloomy girl in the flak jacket and the brilliant one who reports on Russian affairs? They seem to me to be the real talent of the BBC. I think this revelation will make them all decide to go through production companies and other channels to be paid and then we will never know!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 16:23:28 GMT
The amount of
Pathetic jealousy
In this country
Is quite laughable
One year ago junior doctors were being vilified
And being labelled at greedy
The point is as a society and country
We are constantly forced to look below and beneath
Those who look above and beyond
Are taunted as greedy and undeserving
See how much apple
And Netflix
And US channels pay out
Quite a lot more
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Post by crowblack on Jul 19, 2017 16:25:55 GMT
relative to say footballer wages these are small change. Yes, but that's voluntary. When I was a student we were fined £400 because I was using our home portable tv during termtime in our student house. We had a TV licence - I presume every student in that house had one at home. My Mum had just had a serious cancer op at the time and £400 was a shedload of money and we were too dispirited to fight it and I've never forgotten how sh***y they were to us then. If 'top talent' wants to walk, let it walk. There is plenty of talent-in-waiting out there that doesn't get the opportunities - no connections, bank of Mum and Dad, not in London - and that money would be better spent giving them a leg up and a foot in the door through traineeships.
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