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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 13:01:02 GMT
Think it might be a 'witty' play on the spelling of her surname... Thansk you for that...but no "I am the Idiott" haha fair enough (t)then!
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Post by kathryn on Jun 8, 2017 13:01:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 14:38:22 GMT
I actually rather like Diane Abbott. Of course there are things I don't agree with her on but my view of her on the whole is positive. It's the fact that the link above takes me to an article written by Jack Monroe that makes me barf.
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Post by lynette on Jun 8, 2017 18:49:52 GMT
She is not an idiot. But v intelligent people can be wrong and lack common sense. And she seems to have lost that ability to relate to people. I wish her well but not a place in government.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 8, 2017 19:06:28 GMT
She is not an idiot. But v intelligent people can be wrong and lack common sense. And she seems to have lost that ability to relate to people. I wish her well but not a place in government. I don't know, she could be Home Office minister on sick leave
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Post by kathryn on Jun 9, 2017 16:57:05 GMT
She is not an idiot. But v intelligent people can be wrong and lack common sense. And she seems to have lost that ability to relate to people. I wish her well but not a place in government. Agree entirely that very intelligent people can be wrong! I think one of the problems with our political discourse is that anyone who gets something wrong or makes a mistake gets labelled an idiot. If we could acknowledge that very intelligent people do make mistakes and get things wrong occasionally, and that doesn't mean they should not be listened to again or can't contribute something very valuable to the discussion, I think we could have a far more constructive political culture. Especially as sometimes in politics there *is* no right answer or perfect option. Because if anyone who makes a political mistake is an idiot, then you might as well vote for someone who really is an idiot and has no knowledge or understanding of government at all - like Trump.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 9, 2017 17:15:59 GMT
She is not an idiot. But v intelligent people can be wrong and lack common sense. And she seems to have lost that ability to relate to people. I wish her well but not a place in government. Because if anyone who makes a political mistake is an idiot, then you might as well vote for someone who really is an idiot and has no knowledge or understanding of government at all - like Trump. Except that it hasn't just been a one-off with Diane though has it. If I went into meetings at work, totally incapable of answering questions relating directly to my area of responsibility I'd be sacked. Her position is elevated 1000 times and she should be all over it. Same with Emily Thornberry who implied that Dermot Murnaghan was sexist because he asked her for the name of the French Foreign Secretary who she was meeting the following day and she didn't know it. What both of these people do is turn the attention back to the interviewer. "You're racist, you're sexist" when the inadequacy actually lies with themselves. And when you call them out on it you're racist and sexist yourself. Some people, both male and female, get over promoted and are not capable of the jobs they're given. When those jobs involve national security we should be allowed to point that out.
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Post by kathryn on Jun 9, 2017 19:22:08 GMT
The old cliche is that everyone gets promoted to the level of their incompetence, it's true.
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Post by Xanderl on Jun 10, 2017 6:08:10 GMT
Another fun fact - Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbot's majority is 100 times that of Home Secretary Amber Rudd's.
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 11, 2017 18:28:08 GMT
Apart from the TV gaffe of forgetting numbers, why is she comsidered ineffectual and dislikeable?
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 21, 2017 20:46:00 GMT
Because she was deliberately targeted by the Daily Mail and the Conservative Party, because of the colour of her skin.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 21, 2017 23:05:17 GMT
Did you hear Boris' interview today. Yeah I know it was Eddie Mair (probably the best interviewer out there at the moment and has history making Boris look silly) but absolute car crash. Mair does get Boris flustered. Could be the next prime minister Johnson but no thread on 'ere. Thinking of starting one.
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Post by d'James on Jun 21, 2017 23:10:12 GMT
Did you hear Boris' interview today. Yeah I know it was Eddie Mair (probably the best interviewer out there at the moment and has history making Boris look silly) but absolute car crash. Mair does get Boris flustered. Could be the next prime minister Johnson but no thread on 'ere. Thinking of starting one. Do it! Do it! Do it!
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 21, 2017 23:14:17 GMT
Saw a clip on it on Newsnight tonight, instantly thought of Rabbit and Headlights, but you won't read about it tomorrow morning.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Jun 21, 2017 23:50:39 GMT
Saw a clip on it on Newsnight tonight, instantly thought of Rabbit and Headlights, but you won't read about it tomorrow morning. "It’s not a Two Ronnies sketch – you can’t answer the question before last.” Priceless!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 0:34:24 GMT
I can remember her getting elected way back in 1987 as one of the first BAME MPs for 60 odd years, there was the spat about her child going to a public school and was considered to be on the left of the Labour Party and had a nice safe seat. But when old Corbyn got elected she came to the fore, it was almost as if she had been promoted beyond her capabilities and that she may have tried to say it was prejudice. Chuka Umunna and Clive Lewis two other black Labour MPs are seen as two of the sharpest guys in their party so I don't think it is an issue of prejudice.
The Tory press jumped on her as Corbyn's sidekick and a return to the looney left days. The joke about her doing the maths on Countdown amused me also that she went on Play Your Cards Right and played the race card. My favourite was when someone pointed out that Russ Abbot's former backing band were The Black Abbots had she ever been a member.
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 22, 2017 5:31:00 GMT
The joke about her doing the maths on Countdown amused me also that she went on Play Your Cards Right and played the race card. My favourite was when someone pointed out that Russ Abbot's former backing band were The Black Abbots had she ever been a member. Vile.
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Post by adrianics on Jun 22, 2017 9:38:11 GMT
The Tory press jumped on her as Corbyn's sidekick and a return to the looney left days. The joke about her doing the maths on Countdown amused me also that she went on Play Your Cards Right and played the race card. My favourite was when someone pointed out that Russ Abbot's former backing band were The Black Abbots had she ever been a member. But it's definitely not an issue of prejudice?
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Post by Xanderl on Jun 22, 2017 20:08:02 GMT
Trying to work out if hitsters post is "about racism" or just "racist". Perhaps he or she would like to clarify
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 2:26:35 GMT
I was being ironic as Diane has often played the race card and the name of the band seemed to suit. Maybe her and Catweazle Corbyn could do a duet for Xmas,
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Post by vdcni on Jun 23, 2017 4:57:18 GMT
So you think Diane Abbot plays the race card and to 'prove' she doesn't face prejudice you tell a racist joke.
What a master of irony you are.
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 23, 2017 6:57:02 GMT
IRL, those I have heard bringing up black people "playing the race card" (which was in use as idiom solely in American legal circles describing a courtroom manouver and was pretty much unknown to the international public until the OJ trial) are those with biased views regarding black people.
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Post by adrianics on Jun 23, 2017 9:50:27 GMT
I was being ironic as Diane has often played the race card and the name of the band seemed to suit. Maybe her and Catweazle Corbyn could do a duet for Xmas, Oh, you were 'ironically' calling attention to and mocking her race, shortly after you insisted that any criticism of her has nothing to do with her race. Are you actually this nasty or just on the wind-up?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 11:08:29 GMT
There are many people
Who are black
Or women
Or both
And are major role models
Oprah Winfrey Beyoncé Naomi Campbell Jourdan Dunn Grace Jones Michelle Obama
I think Diane Abbott
Doesn't fit into this prestigious list
She is just crap at her job
That's why she is mocked
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Post by Honoured Guest on Jun 23, 2017 11:20:01 GMT
She is just crap at her job That's why she is mocked Like the Prime Minister
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Post by adrianics on Jun 23, 2017 11:45:22 GMT
There are many people Who are black Or women Or both And are major role models Oprah Winfrey Beyoncé Naomi Campbell Jourdan Dunn Grace Jones Michelle Obama I think Diane Abbott Doesn't fit into this prestigious list She is just crap at her job That's why she is mocked A lot of politicians are bad at their jobs and bad at being interviewed (Fallon and Johnson being recent examples), yet I can't think of any individual politician who gets anything close to the amount of negative coverage that Abbott gets. When she got her sums mixed up the Sun stretched that out to almost an entire working week. Just look at the wide lack of sympathy her recent announcement got regarding her health, too. If it's not her race or gender (it is, by the way), why do you think she gets such a disproportionate amount of coverage?
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Post by Honoured Guest on Jun 23, 2017 11:53:11 GMT
why do you think she gets such a disproportionate amount of coverage? Because The Sun is anti-Labour so they (and the Daily Mail, Express, etc.) always misrepresent Labour and downplay Tory crapness (craposity?).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 11:54:01 GMT
There are many people Who are black Or women Or both And are major role models Oprah Winfrey Beyoncé Naomi Campbell Jourdan Dunn Grace Jones Michelle Obama I think Diane Abbott Doesn't fit into this prestigious list She is just crap at her job That's why she is mocked A lot of politicians are bad at their jobs and bad at being interviewed (Fallon and Johnson being recent examples), yet I can't think of any individual politician who gets anything close to the amount of negative coverage that Abbott gets. When she got her sums mixed up the Sun stretched that out to almost an entire working week. Just look at the wide lack of sympathy her recent announcement got regarding her health, too. If it's not her race or gender (it is, by the way), why do you think she gets such a disproportionate amount of coverage? She is awful on camera Always looks sweaty and anxious
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Post by adrianics on Jun 23, 2017 11:58:00 GMT
why do you think she gets such a disproportionate amount of coverage? Because The Sun is anti-Labour so they (and the Daily Mail, Express, etc.) always misrepresent Labour and downplay Tory crapness (craposity?). But why *her*? When was the last time they went after, say, Kier Starmer or Emily Thornberry with the same ferocity they frequently go after Abbott?
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Post by adrianics on Jun 23, 2017 11:59:02 GMT
A lot of politicians are bad at their jobs and bad at being interviewed (Fallon and Johnson being recent examples), yet I can't think of any individual politician who gets anything close to the amount of negative coverage that Abbott gets. When she got her sums mixed up the Sun stretched that out to almost an entire working week. Just look at the wide lack of sympathy her recent announcement got regarding her health, too. If it's not her race or gender (it is, by the way), why do you think she gets such a disproportionate amount of coverage? She is awful on camera Always looks sweaty and anxious Congratulations on dodging the question I'm actually asking! Boris Johnson is also awful on camera. Why didn't his recent disastrous interview get the same amount of negative coverage Abbott frequently gets?
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