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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:38:48 GMT
An all black cast?? I think this is a disgrace and PC blind colour casting gone too far. What about an all white cast of The Lion King? Madness... I'm sorry but it has to be said. It only has to be said by racists.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:45:48 GMT
Looking forward to this. Who doesn't want more Guys and Dolls in their life?
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Post by d'James on Jun 8, 2017 22:54:35 GMT
Looking forward to this. Who doesn't want more Guys and Dolls in their life? Me.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 8, 2017 22:58:57 GMT
An all black cast?? I think this is a disgrace and PC blind colour casting gone too far. What about an all white cast of The Lion King? Madness... I'm sorry but it has to be said. No. Just no.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 9, 2017 6:33:40 GMT
An all black cast?? I think this is a disgrace and PC blind colour casting gone too far. What about an all white cast of The Lion King? Madness... I'm sorry but it has to be said. There is no reason why Guys and Dolls can't have an all black cast. hello Dolly did it with Pearl Baily and Dolly is Jewish in the show. If they can get talented people, then that is what matters. Your comment about this being a disgrace is short sighted and down right racist. Black Jewish people do exist. So that kind of element does work
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Post by d'James on Jun 9, 2017 7:14:18 GMT
There is no reason why Guys and Dolls can't have an all black cast. hello Dolly did it with Pearl Baily and Dolly is Jewish in the show. If they can get talented people, then that is what matters. Your comment about this being a disgrace is short sighted and down right racist. Black Jewish people do exist. So that kind of element does work See Sophie Okonedo's Tony speech.
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Post by duncan on Jun 9, 2017 9:33:36 GMT
Looking forward to this. Who doesn't want more Guys and Dolls in their life? Me.
Add me to that list, its the only musical I've ever fallen asleep in the middle of whilst at the theatre.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 10:31:36 GMT
Add me to that list, its the only musical I've ever fallen asleep in the middle of whilst at the theatre.
I'm curious now. Which production?
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Post by duncan on Jun 9, 2017 11:03:27 GMT
The Patrick Swayze version, Wednesday September 06 2006.
...and it was Act 1, I had to check the programme at the interval to see how much I'd missed. It was just such a dull show and I was in the middle of the row and it was full so couldn't leave.
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Post by westendwendy on Jun 9, 2017 15:45:50 GMT
I don't think he's being racist at all, just noting that if Lion King was to cast a whole white production there would be uproar. Fair enough.
racist
noun: racist; plural noun: racists
1. a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another
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Post by boybooshka on Jun 9, 2017 18:14:53 GMT
He said an all black cast Guys and Dolls would be a disgrace.
Don't think it's ambiguous at all.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 19, 2017 18:39:32 GMT
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Post by crabtree on Oct 19, 2017 20:43:32 GMT
Once again, we are getting real, literal life mixed up with theatre. Was there a fuss this year when Jonas Kaufmann sang Otello? Did people return tickets?
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Post by adambloodworth on Oct 24, 2017 12:55:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 13:09:25 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 1, 2017 0:08:55 GMT
Helloooooo
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Post by anniel on Dec 1, 2017 6:09:07 GMT
Am going on Monday. Will report back.
I saw the Chichester one 8 times - it's one of my faves - so am feeling trepidation about a new production. Not wowed by the trailer....
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 1, 2017 10:30:35 GMT
Nobody here seems aware that when the National Theatre did Guys and Dolls in 1997, Sky Masterson was played by Clark Peters, who's black ...
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Post by Honoured Guest on Dec 1, 2017 10:35:59 GMT
That was in the last century when people were civilised.
In our new century, everyone screeches on social media.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 10:44:22 GMT
Nobody here seems aware that when the National Theatre did Guys and Dolls in 1997, Sky Masterson was played by Clark Peters, who's black ... Oh yes I was.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 10:52:53 GMT
And Sharon D Clarke was General Cartwright and Clive Rowe was Nicely-Nicely Johnson. The fact it's taken 20 years to get from "some black cast members" to "hell let's do it ALL black!" is... interesting.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 1, 2017 11:06:02 GMT
An all black cast?? I think this is a disgrace and PC blind colour casting gone too far. What about an all white cast of The Lion King? Madness... I'm sorry but it has to be said. It only has to be said by racists. I don't think you should accuse him of racism because he objects to an all-black cast. Indeed, I think there's something racist about the idea of staging it as something taking place among all those black folks. But that's not the same as colour-blind casting, which ignores race differences and doesn't try to emphasise race. Further to the matter of colour-blind casting, doesn't anyone remember that Sky Masterson was played by Clark Peters, who's black, in the NT's 1997 revival?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 11:35:35 GMT
It only has to be said by racists. I don't think you should accuse him of racism because he objects to an all-black cast. I stand by it. To go as far as calling an all black cast "a disgrace", coupled with a Richard Littlejohnesque "It's PC gone mad" and an instance that "it has to be said" indicates to me a person with unsavoury views on race.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 11:49:23 GMT
To be honest, anyone who uses "PC" as a pejorative is the internet equivalent of a poisonous insect being brightly coloured. A highly visible way to give people in the know an idea of what's going on beneath the surface.
Also, read the thread, Paul, you can't sit there saying over and over again that you're the only person who remembers Clarke Peters has been in the show before when other people have already commented with "yes, I already know that".
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Post by maggiem on Dec 1, 2017 11:54:49 GMT
I don't care who's doing it.
I'm going because:-
I have never seen this musical before, on stage or film, although I have heard the songs before. It's a pre-Christmas treat, after 3 months of bloody hard work. With my NUS card, it's £7 for the ticket - BARGAIN!
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Post by musicalmarge on Dec 1, 2017 12:37:06 GMT
I don't think you should accuse him of racism because he objects to an all-black cast. I stand by it. To go as far as calling an all black cast "a disgrace", coupled with a Richard Littlejohnesque "It's PC gone mad" and an instance that "it has to be said" indicates to me a person with unsavoury views on race. I think it’s wonderful that we are having an all black cast Guys and Dolls. We are all pink inside. What I do disagree with is forcing theatres to have BAME representation in the front of house and backstage. If they don’t meet a certain quota they can be fined or lose funding. In places like Chester 98 percent of the population are white. It should not be about ticking boxes.
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Post by princeton on Dec 1, 2017 13:36:53 GMT
if they don’t meet a certain quota they can be fined or lose funding Says who?
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Post by Honoured Guest on Dec 1, 2017 14:48:34 GMT
In places like Chester 98 percent of the population are white. 1) The ME in BAME stands for "minority ethnic" and so includes black, white and everything else. For example, Irish-heritage people are BAME. Many of them are white. 2) The audience of a theatre in Chester don't all reside in Chester. There isn't a big sign over the entrance saying: "CHESTER THEATRE FOR CHESTER RESIDENTS". Is there? 3) Aaaggghhhh!!!! And 4) Chester (or Caer) was invaded and governed by multi-ethnic Roman Empire people, two millennia ago.
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Post by sf on Dec 1, 2017 17:04:07 GMT
Nobody here seems aware that when the National Theatre did Guys and Dolls in 1997, Sky Masterson was played by Clark Peters, who's black ... Really? NOBODY here seems aware of it? Some of us actually saw it. More than once.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 1, 2017 17:07:55 GMT
Nobody here seems aware that when the National Theatre did Guys and Dolls in 1997, Sky Masterson was played by Clark Peters, who's black ... Really? NOBODY here seems aware of it? Some of us actually saw it. More than once. I said nobody *seems* aware of it. And that was because no-one has mentioned it in the context of this discussion. "Nobody here seems aware of it" does not mean "No-one reading this board saw it."
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