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Post by d'James on May 24, 2017 11:04:50 GMT
In my previous post, I mentioned a person I knew slightly was at the concert. This morning it has been revealed that Martyn Hett was killed in the atrocity. I met him twice, he was outrageously funny and a ball of energy. He was a Coronation St fan to such an extent he had a tattoo of "Deidre Barlow" on his leg! He had many friends and was loved by them all. Even though my connection with him was slight, I am deeply saddened by the news. I hadn't heard of him until this. He seemed hilarious though. His poor family.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 11:12:02 GMT
Oh no, how horrendous! He was really big on social media and always hilarious. Such a real shame.
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Post by CG on the loose on May 24, 2017 12:59:36 GMT
Just read the latest list of named victims, which has grown from four to twelve since last I did.
The young age of some of the victims is absolutely heart-breaking, but so too is the number of parents who died while waiting for their children and the thought that the children they leave behind will not only have to learn to live with their loss but also, perhaps, with feelings of guilt that it is somehow 'their fault' their Mum or Dad died.
As the human stories emerge from the statistics, and we put names and faces and acts of kindness to those who've died, my heart grows ever heavier.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 13:05:16 GMT
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Post by Xanderl on May 24, 2017 13:27:04 GMT
I thought this from a Young Person on twitter had some very sensible ideas in it whether you are a young person heading to a gig (or parent of one) or an old fart heading to the theatre!
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on May 24, 2017 13:37:43 GMT
And American intelligence are still blabbing details, now about how the terrorist was identified and such. I doubt that intelligence sharing is going to continue with the US in the same way whilst the White House behaves like this.....
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Post by infofreako on May 24, 2017 16:58:16 GMT
Wow. You can still post from a deleted account. That's pretty amazing
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on May 24, 2017 17:06:36 GMT
EDITED AS THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A RESPONSE TO POSTS NOW DELETED - the deleted post linked to a youtube video from the far right extremist site Infowars' Paul Joseph Watson, a conspiracy theorist whose latest wheeze was to support Marine Le Pen. Just to point out what filth they dwell in, Alex Jones, the head of of Infowars dismissed the Manchester victims as "a bunch of liberal trendies.”
This does serve as a heads up, however, that a fringe conspiracist, widely seen as anti women, anti gay, anti whatever, can have their rants linked to on here just shows how pervasive the alt right has become. You don't come across videos like that and link to them by mistake.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:15:18 GMT
I'm still feeling shaken and numb, and I haven't come close to losing anyone. I honestly don't understand where people are finding the energy to launch their rants.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 24, 2017 18:56:35 GMT
You know which comment I find disrespectful, I called you out on it earlier in the deleted comment.
And I stand by what I said, you don't have to understand politics to be a good person and understand you cannot stop worship for good, hard working Muslim people, for the sake of a select few evil people.
No one is suggesting preventing Muslims from praying. That would be disgusting and I would happily march against it. What is a problem, however, is new Mosques. They are not normally regulated by the same strict controls as established ones and attract converts who are normally more prone to committing terrorism. The nutters go on about hook hand but never acknowledge that Finsbury Park Mosque banned him. The established mosques are a fine example of Islam as a honorable World faith for the most part. Unlike many members of this board, I don't go searching for your work. But can honestly sat I have never read a post you have written that is not full of anger. I can feel the hatred as you type coming through the keyboard. Please, please act on the five second rule before you post.
Peace and love fella
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 19:35:52 GMT
Anyone who was due to attend, or know anyone who was due to attend, Ariana Grande's tour has now been cancelled, until at least June. So 7 shows cancelled thus far, including both at The O2 Arena. The right decision, as this poor girl must be going through so much in her head right now. I wouldn't be entirely surprised or judge her for cancelling the tour all together (due to continue through the end of the year) but at the same time, we can't let these terrible people win.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 24, 2017 19:54:34 GMT
Anyone who was due to attend, or know anyone who was due to attend, Ariana Grande's tour has now been cancelled, until at least June. So 7 shows cancelled thus far, including both at The O2 Arena. The right decision, as this poor girl must be going through so much in her head right now. I wouldn't be entirely surprised or judge her for cancelling the tour all together (due to continue through the end of the year) but at the same time, we can't let these terrible people win. I've searched the internet high and low but still haven't found anybody on the www who posts with such love and beauty. Yeah, we can all learn lots from this one
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 19:58:31 GMT
Anyone who was due to attend, or know anyone who was due to attend, Ariana Grande's tour has now been cancelled, until at least June. So 7 shows cancelled thus far, including both at The O2 Arena. The right decision, as this poor girl must be going through so much in her head right now. I wouldn't be entirely surprised or judge her for cancelling the tour all together (due to continue through the end of the year) but at the same time, we can't let these terrible people win. I've searched the internet high and low but still haven't found anybody on the www who posts with such love and beauty. Yeah, we can all learn lots from this one Me or Ariana?! I can assure you dear, I am sure there are plenty more loving and beautiful than me haha! So I assume Ariana.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 19:59:47 GMT
No one is suggesting preventing Muslims from praying. That would be disgusting and I would happily march against it. What is a problem, however, is new Mosques. They are not normally regulated by the same strict controls as established ones and attract converts who are normally more prone to committing terrorism. The nutters go on about hook hand but never acknowledge that Finsbury Park Mosque banned him. The established mosques are a fine example of Islam as a honorable World faith for the most part. Unlike many members of this board, I don't go searching for your work. But can honestly sat I have never read a post you have written that is not full of anger. I can feel the hatred as you type coming through the keyboard. Please, please act on the five second rule before you post.
Peace and love fella
We may or may not agree with edmundokeano, but I see nothing in that particular post that is full of anger or hate. I did a quick Google search on the key terms and the first page of results yielded two from UK broadsheets that also suggested new mosques tend to be viewed with some suspicion - though I won't restate the reasons here lest I'm wrongly accused of some terrible thought crime myself! Just because someone's opinion may differ from the way the prevailing wind in this forum is blowing, doesn't automatically make them a bad person. I mean, just remember that line from Casablanca. ;-)
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Post by vabbian on May 24, 2017 20:09:13 GMT
Got an email that automatic refunds have been issued for Ariana's concerts in the next few days
In case anyone else was meant to go, you don't need to worry about contacting them to refund your tickets
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Post by theatremadness on May 24, 2017 20:30:22 GMT
For anyone who wants more disbelief in their life after these horrific events, Rufus Hound is currently going off on one on twitter, where he believes himself so cynical that he can't keep the possibility out of his head that the current Government somehow orchestrated/allowed these attacks in an attempt to gain an advantage in the upcoming election. It's really quite something.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 24, 2017 20:30:30 GMT
I think she and her people made the right, and maybe the only decision possible under the circs.
It's all very well doing the "we carry on as normal" mantra but there would be a massive shadow cast over the rest of the tour.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 24, 2017 20:33:03 GMT
For anyone who wants more disbelief in their life after these horrific events, Rufus Hound is currently going off on one on twitter, where he believes himself so cynical that he can't keep the possibility out of his head that the current Government somehow orchestrated/allowed these attacks in an attempt to gain an advantage in the upcoming election. It's really quite something. Oh dear. I used to quite like him. backtracking like mad now, I see.
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Post by theatremadness on May 24, 2017 20:39:15 GMT
For anyone who wants more disbelief in their life after these horrific events, Rufus Hound is currently going off on one on twitter, where he believes himself so cynical that he can't keep the possibility out of his head that the current Government somehow orchestrated/allowed these attacks in an attempt to gain an advantage in the upcoming election. It's really quite something. Oh dear. I used to quite like him. backtracking like mad now, I see. Goooooooood luck to him! Don't even see how him deleting the tweets would help him now.
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Post by The Matthew on May 24, 2017 20:45:35 GMT
Rufus Hound is currently going off on one on twitter, where he believes himself so cynical that he can't keep the possibility out of his head that the current Government somehow orchestrated/allowed these attacks in an attempt to gain an advantage in the upcoming election. I knew it would only be a few days before someone was claiming that it was a government plot. In a couple of months there'll be people claiming it didn't happen at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:00:08 GMT
I think she and her people made the right, and maybe the only decision possible under the circs. It's all very well doing the "we carry on as normal" mantra but there would be a massive shadow cast over the rest of the tour. Completely agree. I both for the sake of her own mental health and the whole situation, it is best.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:07:01 GMT
Rufus Hound is currently going off on one on twitter, where he believes himself so cynical that he can't keep the possibility out of his head that the current Government somehow orchestrated/allowed these attacks in an attempt to gain an advantage in the upcoming election. I knew it would only be a few days before someone was claiming that it was a government plot. In a couple of months there'll be people claiming it didn't happen at all. Apparently Steve Brookstein was doing this the day after it happened. We can blame the 'military industrial complex', apparently. The moment I heard it confirmed as an attack, my first thought was 'This will probably help May in the election'. My second thought was 'So how long before the conspiracy theories start?' Didn't have to wait long, did we?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 24, 2017 21:42:06 GMT
I knew it would only be a few days before someone was claiming that it was a government plot. In a couple of months there'll be people claiming it didn't happen at all. Apparently Steve Brookstein was doing this the day after it happened. We can blame the 'military industrial complex', apparently. The moment I heard it confirmed as an attack, my first thought was 'This will probably help May in the election'. My second thought was 'So how long before the conspiracy theories start?' Didn't have to wait long, did we? who?
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Post by infofreako on May 24, 2017 21:56:35 GMT
Rufus Hound is currently going off on one on twitter, where he believes himself so cynical that he can't keep the possibility out of his head that the current Government somehow orchestrated/allowed these attacks in an attempt to gain an advantage in the upcoming election. I knew it would only be a few days before someone was claiming that it was a government plot. In a couple of months there'll be people claiming it didn't happen at all. On the page on Facebook set up for Olivia Campbell yesterday in amongst all the messages hoping she be found was one idiot who wrote a couple of paragraphs about how it was a false flag attack and not only that she wasn't missing but that she didn't exist, the attack hadn't happened as there was no footage and all the names mentioned including Olivia s were made up by the secret service to make us all hate Muslims
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 22:02:15 GMT
I knew it would only be a few days before someone was claiming that it was a government plot. In a couple of months there'll be people claiming it didn't happen at all. Apparently Steve Brookstein was doing this the day after it happened. We can blame the 'military industrial complex', apparently. The moment I heard it confirmed as an attack, my first thought was 'This will probably help May in the election'. My second thought was 'So how long before the conspiracy theories start?' Didn't have to wait long, did we? That man is never happier than when he is making some kind of noise, complaining.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on May 24, 2017 22:19:18 GMT
I knew it would only be a few days before someone was claiming that it was a government plot. In a couple of months there'll be people claiming it didn't happen at all. On the page on Facebook set up for Olivia Colman yesterday in amongst all the messages hoping she be found was one idiot who wrote a couple of paragraphs about how it was a false flag attack and not only that she wasn't missing but that she didn't exist, the attack hadn't happened as there was no footage and all the names mentioned including Olivia s were made up by the secret service to make us all hate Muslims There is a real problem with people who get their 'news' from social media. It's how these conspiracy theorists flourish, because they get treated as equal to an actual news organisation. The irony is that they ape what organisations like ISIS do, exaggerating, promoting feelings over facts and scapegoating anyone who is seen as other.
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Post by infofreako on May 24, 2017 22:33:00 GMT
On the page on Facebook set up for Olivia Colman yesterday in amongst all the messages hoping she be found was one idiot who wrote a couple of paragraphs about how it was a false flag attack and not only that she wasn't missing but that she didn't exist, the attack hadn't happened as there was no footage and all the names mentioned including Olivia s were made up by the secret service to make us all hate Muslims There is a real problem with people who get their 'news' from social media. It's how these conspiracy theorists flourish, because they get treated as equal to an actual news organisation. The irony is that they ape what organisations like ISIS do, exaggerating, promoting feelings over facts and scapegoating anyone who is seen as other. Its shocking isn't it. Those first 3 or 4 hours after an incident where you get all the people thinking its funny to put fake videos up and speculate wildly gives way to conspiracy theorists who enjoy the aftermath of publicity for their loopy ideas.. The scary thing is I think some of them believe their own nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 22:35:21 GMT
Apparently Steve Brookstein was doing this the day after it happened. We can blame the 'military industrial complex', apparently. The moment I heard it confirmed as an attack, my first thought was 'This will probably help May in the election'. My second thought was 'So how long before the conspiracy theories start?' Didn't have to wait long, did we? who? He won the first ever series of X Factor. When the success he was promised didn't materialise and Syco (Simon Cowell's record label) dropped him quietly, he became very bitter and ever since has used social media to blame anyone and everyone for the failures of the world - mainly women, Muslims and political correctness I believe.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 24, 2017 22:38:19 GMT
He won the first ever series of X Factor. When the success he was promised didn't materialise and Syco (Simon Cowell's record label) dropped him quietly, he became very bitter and ever since has used social media to blame anyone and everyone for the failures of the world - mainly women, Muslims and political correctness I believe. Oh. Him.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 6:24:54 GMT
Oh sorry BurlyBear, I thought you were being sarky earlier!
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