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Post by Jan on Mar 8, 2017 12:50:09 GMT
I thought it was a good idea when NT started Sunday performances and I went to a couple but it didn't feel quite right somehow so I wasn't bothered when they stopped them. I've been to Finborough a few times on a Sunday and oddly that feels OK.
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 8, 2017 13:16:56 GMT
Has any production ever done a... I'm almost scared to say it... three performance day? Joseph does 2pm, 5pm & 8pm on Saturdays! etting the train back. But that's supposing the trains would cooperate - they seem to go out of their way to not be convenient for RSC starting t That was over 2000 years ago.
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Post by anita on Mar 8, 2017 13:28:23 GMT
Lousy bus & train service on Sunday.
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Post by galinda on Mar 8, 2017 13:43:28 GMT
I don't mind Sunday shows but usually avoid London on a Sunday due to the slow train services. A Saturday can take half an hour then a Sunday 1 hour 30. That and if I see two shows on a Saturday I can't be bothered to go out again the next day. Getting too old for that!
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 8, 2017 13:45:26 GMT
Maybe!!!
Firstly I am not religious, don't believe in all that - if you don't get that last prayer in before death, you will have one of those wretched Mormon Hell Dreams, but conversely families are still important and that wholly includes artists and theatre professionals as well, they aren't slaves. So if theatre employees do 2 shows Saturday, 1 show Sunday and Tuesday to Friday evening, this only allows employees to see their families on a Monday evening, which for me sounds very mean and Dickensian.
So a fair compromise is to do 2 shows on a Sunday, if you come in to do 1 show you might as well do 2 shows and then go dark on a Monday and Tuesday night off, returning for a Wednesday matinee or evening performance. Harry Potter does this now and for me this is fair and keeps a happier workforce, which can often be reflected in performances.
In London it is possible to see more shows in a week than New York, due to a Tuesday and Thursday matinee. I do understand the people who come to visit London and want to maximise their day.
Also you need a feet up day to watch the soccer!!!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 8, 2017 14:30:15 GMT
Figuring out how to quote multiple bits is doing my head in Use the drop down menu (top right of the post) and choose Select Post. Do that for each post you want to quote. When you've selected all of them, hit the Quote button. Et Voila!
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Post by viserys on Mar 8, 2017 14:34:55 GMT
Thanks, that's good to know. I was wanting to quote different bits from Monkey's single post though and thought I could find a way to have the quotes in separate blue boxes with my replies in white in-between.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 8, 2017 14:45:54 GMT
Thanks, that's good to know. I was wanting to quote different bits from Monkey's single post though and thought I could find a way to have the quotes in separate blue boxes with my replies in white in-between. 12. How can I quote just part of someone's post? Using a mouse, highlight the text that you wish to quote and then press the [Quick Quote] button that will appear. Read more: theatreboard.co.uk/thread/65/theatreboard-faqs#ixzz4akIqWwIj
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Post by showgirl on Mar 8, 2017 14:50:13 GMT
For everyone to have a decent break is important; the issue is how to balance the fact that for many people, the main opportunity to do so is still at the weekend. I always loved shift-work precisely because I wasn't forced to be off when so many others were & obliged to face crowds and higher prices, and by actually preferring to work weekends and bank holidays, I was enabling colleagues to have time off. But that doesn't work for theatre professionals, does it?! I still dread to recall deadly dull childhood Sundays when everything was shut & I longed for normal life to resume, even if that meant school. I wouldn't like to return to Sundays like those.
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Post by viserys on Mar 8, 2017 15:30:32 GMT
12. How can I quote just part of someone's post? Live and learn Using a mouse, highlight the text that you wish to quote and then press the [Quick Quote] button that will appear. Thanks
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 8, 2017 15:47:32 GMT
For everyone to have a decent break is important; the issue is how to balance the fact that for many people, the main opportunity to do so is still at the weekend. I always loved shift-work precisely because I wasn't forced to be off when so many others were & obliged to face crowds and higher prices, and by actually preferring to work weekends and bank holidays, I was enabling colleagues to have time off. But that doesn't work for theatre professionals, does it?! I still dread to recall deadly dull childhood Sundays when everything was shut & I longed for normal life to resume, even if that meant school. I wouldn't like to return to Sundays like those. Agree, who would want to go back to those horrid and draconian days, when everything shut so everyone can go to church (well suppose it is a type of acting). On the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebridies they still lock up the swings on a Sunday (go figure).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 17:25:43 GMT
I lived in a rural area a few years back that still resolutely locked up every business except the big supermarket at lunchtime on a Wednesday. Those were the days...
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Post by showgirl on Mar 8, 2017 18:08:51 GMT
Gosh, yes: the village where I grew up had "early closing" on Wednesdays, and this was only half an hour from London. OK, it was last century but seems like the Dark Ages now.
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Post by SuperTrooper on Mar 9, 2017 11:06:39 GMT
Interesting views from you all! As a West End Techie (with a family) Sunday shows are not for me. I have done a show with a Sunday performance, it was a short contract and we had Tuesday off. I sat down and had a big chat with the family about it and we decided to give it a try,never again! I feel there is a place for Sunday shows but I also think we should have more mid-week matinees. More Tuesday matinees, even the occasional Friday! I don't think Sunday's are going to become as popular in the West End as they are on Broadway, (I hope).
I also remember half day closing and only having a corner shop open on a Sunday.
Not sure what my point is, just wanted to chuck my ramblings into the mix!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 11:16:11 GMT
Hi @supertrooper thanks for your input!
I'm also in favour of more matinees/mixing up the matinees- feels like it doesn't impact performers/techies/theatre staff as much but allows for more performances (personally love a 'late' Friday matinee too- the 5.30 ones that some shows have done)
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Post by dizzieblonde on Mar 9, 2017 11:40:10 GMT
Hi @supertrooper thanks for your input! I'm also in favour of more matinees/mixing up the matinees- feels like it doesn't impact performers/techies/theatre staff as much but allows for more performances (personally love a 'late' Friday matinee too- the 5.30 ones that some shows have done) Seconding the 'more matinees, fewer days' idea. The Harry Potter format is there for a specific reason, with the 2-part play, but I'd love to see more of that scheduling. Give performers 2 consecutive days off a week, and have one more matinee performance somewhere in the schedule. If they can sustain Wed/Thur matinees on wet and cold winter weekdays, why can't either an additional Fri matinee also work? You could have Wed, Fri and Sat matinee and evening shows, plus Tue and Thur evening only shows, or Wed, Fri, Sat 2 show days, and Thur, Sun single show days. I love the idea of Friday daytime matinee - perhaps 5.30pm is too close to the evening show time, but I think a 3pm show would get plenty of interest, given just how many people finish early on Fridays, or choose to start their weekend breaks in London on a Friday afternoon anyway. I do get the difficulty when considering Sunday shows as standard - family time is a big sacrifice for the many hundreds of cast and crew, in favour of getting another weekday off. For all that I'd selfishly like to see Sunday shows across the board, which would give me more options when spending a weekend in the West End, it does have to be balanced against the needs of the people working in London theatres.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 11:50:40 GMT
Yes a Friday 3 is also great, as it allows for maybe a cheeky Friday afternoon off work (if local) and still an evening, because personally I'm old and grumpy and like a Friday evening on my sofa...!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 12:15:39 GMT
I mean what we seem to have at the moment is most West End shows avoiding Sundays unless they are family-focused, and a lot more Sunday choice if you don't mind going elsewhere, like the Globe or the fringe. That's what I like to be honest. I don't feel like the West End needs to embrace Sundays, I'm perfectly happy for the West End to keep existing as it does, as I can use Sundays to pick up other shows. The Clockmaker's Daughter (I don't know if anyone remembers that one, it certainly wasn't very popular...) was a late Sunday addition for me one week and it was one of the better decisions I made that entire year. If I'm booking my Saturdays up with West End productions months in advance, then Sundays are a great way for me to not miss out on the things less on the beaten path. When The Drowned Man was a thing, the Sunday performances were invaluable for allowing me to feed my addiction without missing out on my usual theatre. (I also REALLY appreciated being able to visit it twice on a Friday back when I had a flexitime job that enabled me to arrive in Paddington in plenty of time for the 5pm performance.)
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 9, 2017 12:18:02 GMT
Interesting views from you all! As a West End Techie (with a family) Sunday shows are not for me. I have done a show with a Sunday performance, it was a short contract and we had Tuesday off. I sat down and had a big chat with the family about it and we decided to give it a try,never again! I feel there is a place for Sunday shows but I also think we should have more mid-week matinees. More Tuesday matinees, even the occasional Friday! I don't think Sunday's are going to become as popular in the West End as they are on Broadway, (I hope). I also remember half day closing and only having a corner shop open on a Sunday. Not sure what my point is, just wanted to chuck my ramblings into the mix! Good post and more relevant as it is straight from the 'Horses Mouth' as to say. So on my last post I did suggest if you did do 2 shows on a Sunday, would it be a good trade off, if the theatre is dark on a Monday/Tuesday, so therefore having 2 whole days off, like Harry Potter does, would that suit your family life better? I am a supporter of more matinees and theatre staff working 5 days a week, we are in the 21st Century. If we looked at a spreadsheet of theatre ticket sales for each show, obviously Thursday - Sunday is the most busiest, however performances outside these times, you can be flexible. Friday matinees are a good idea - didn't In the Heights do this, at Kings Cross? We seeing a trend now where shows are doing 3 matinees a week now.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Mar 9, 2017 12:29:22 GMT
The Barbican Theatre often has Sunday matinee performances of its visiting shows which are all "events" in comparison with most London theatre. It always feels a real luxury to stroll along on a Sunday afternoon and see the world's finest.
Another advantage of Sunday matinees is that most theatre workers are free to attend them. So they can see their friends perform in short fringe runs at the Finborough or the Union or wherever, or keep uptodate with the latest fashionable global trends at the Barbican or perhaps Sadlers Wells.
Popular West End Sunday matinees surrounded by jet-lagged tourists and screaming families are of less appeal.
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Post by stefy69 on Mar 9, 2017 12:31:09 GMT
It's a No from me : Sunday should be roast dinner and red wine and being spoilt, although sadly the last named doesn't happen nearly as often as it should !
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Mar 9, 2017 12:47:30 GMT
I believe more shows should run on Sundays, especially in London. What else is there to do?!
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 9, 2017 13:19:35 GMT
When you had the traditional roster Monday - Sataurday, once tr Saturday evening performance was done at 10pm ish, I am led to believe there were some quite legendary parties and celebrations were had? So their day off Sunday was usually spent asleep? Doing a Sunday matinee doesn't have the same feeling, to go out and get wasted!
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Post by Mark on Mar 9, 2017 14:19:00 GMT
Well from saying I don't like Sunday shows, I've just booked a Sunday performance of Cursed Child (the restricted stalls ones they do) so I'm really looking forward to that again.
My work schedule is erratic so it can be difficult to plan in advance but this date magically worked out!
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Post by SuperTrooper on Mar 9, 2017 14:36:02 GMT
Interesting views from you all! As a West End Techie (with a family) Sunday shows are not for me. I have done a show with a Sunday performance, it was a short contract and we had Tuesday off. I sat down and had a big chat with the family about it and we decided to give it a try,never again! I feel there is a place for Sunday shows but I also think we should have more mid-week matinees. More Tuesday matinees, even the occasional Friday! I don't think Sunday's are going to become as popular in the West End as they are on Broadway, (I hope). Good post and more relevant as it is straight from the 'Horses Mouth' as to say. So on my last post I did suggest if you did do 2 shows on a Sunday, would it be a good trade off, if the theatre is dark on a Monday/Tuesday, so therefore having 2 whole days off, like Harry Potter does, would that suit your family life better? I am a supporter of more matinees and theatre staff working 5 days a week, we are in the 21st Century. If we looked at a spreadsheet of theatre ticket sales for each show, obviously Thursday - Sunday is the most busiest, however performances outside these times, you can be flexible. Friday matinees are a good idea - didn't In the Heights do this, at Kings Cross? We seeing a trend now where shows are doing 3 matinees a week now. I'm show crew, so performance times are my priority. The Potter schedule wouldn't suit me either really, we usually relax on a Sunday as a family, we didn't seem to get the same quality time when I had Tuesday as a day off! What no one here has taken into account is the full time theatre staff hours. They normally work 5 days out of 7 (depending on how many in the dept) quite often a show on a Sunday still means the Theatre is open on whatever day there is no show (albeit 9 to 5) so they would probably end up with *having* to do overtime rather than choosing to! Personally I love Friday/Saturday back to back matinees 4 shows in two days 5 & 8 suit me. I quite like the idea of 8 shows over 5 days (like Potter but without Sunday) but I don't think I'd know what to do with a whole 2 days off! A weekend, like normal people! OMG! I came into theatre knowing that I would have to work 6 days, Bank Holidays, antisocial hours etc but not Sunday! I'm not religious but Sunday has always been family day to me! Off to ramble to myself in a corner, not sure I'm helping here!
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Post by SuperTrooper on Mar 9, 2017 18:37:18 GMT
Good post and more relevant as it is straight from the 'Horses Mouth' as to say. So on my last post I did suggest if you did do 2 shows on a Sunday, would it be a good trade off, if the theatre is dark on a Monday/Tuesday, so therefore having 2 whole days off, like Harry Potter does, would that suit your family life better? I am a supporter of more matinees and theatre staff working 5 days a week, we are in the 21st Century. If we looked at a spreadsheet of theatre ticket sales for each show, obviously Thursday - Sunday is the most busiest, however performances outside these times, you can be flexible. Friday matinees are a good idea - didn't In the Heights do this, at Kings Cross? We seeing a trend now where shows are doing 3 matinees a week now. I'm show crew, so performance times are my priority. They yy Potter schedule wouldn't suit me either really, we usually relax on a Sunday as a family, we didn't seem to get the same quality time when I had Tuesday as a day off! What no one here has taken into account is the full time theatre staff hours. They normally work 5 days out of 7 (depending on how many in the dept) quite often a show on a Sunday still means the Theatre is open on whatever day there is no show (albeit 9 to 5) so they would probably end up with *having* to do overtime rather than choosing to! Personally I love Friday/Saturday back to back matinees 4 shows in two days 5 & 8 suit me. I quite like the idea of 8 shows over 5 days (like Potter but without Sunday) but I don't think I'd know what to do with a whole 2 days off! A weekend, like normal people! OMG! I came into theatre knowing that I would have to work 6 days, Bank Holidays, antisocial hours etc but not Sunday! I'm not religious but Sunday has always been family day to me! Off to ramble to myself in a corner, not sure I'm helping here! EDIT: if your other half works 9 to 5 and your kids go to school when is your family time?
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 9, 2017 20:54:24 GMT
No agreed with this in my original post, theatre performs when majority of people are not at work or school has to do this to survive, conversely this has a detrimental effect on people who have partners/families.
I know the Harry Potter schedule won't work for everyone, but it is a reasonable compromise. When Equity announced they would agree to Sunday performances, it was meant to revolutionise the West End, however the revolution turned out to be a anti climax. The West End isn't Broadway, where on a Sunday you go and have a Brunch then catch a show or a game, we like our Roast Beef and Yorkshire Pudding too much!!!
So really this is where the West End is a winner we have incorporated a Broadway schedule and a traditional West End schedule that co-exists, so looking at Theatremonkey schedule, next week you can hit 12* shows in week, so if you are a visitor you can really maximise your theatre experience, family people can opt to do a more family accomadating roster, where people who haven't got the same commitment can work Sunday if they chose to do so.
I am very happy at that.
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Post by perfectspy on Mar 10, 2017 0:27:34 GMT
I love going to the theatre on a Sunday, one such day I managed to see three plays.
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Post by shady23 on Mar 10, 2017 8:07:03 GMT
For shows where the target is children it makes sense to have Sunday matinées or even start the show earlier on a weekday evening.
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Post by joem on Mar 10, 2017 10:00:14 GMT
Sundays yay. When you travel to London for a weekend and you watse a whole day it is very frustrating.
I don't see why what is a religious relic from days gone by should be allowed to dictate the way modern lives are led. There are many, many things open on a Sunday, including cinemas, so we've got over the old Sunday has to be boring mindset.
Everyone needs a day off so all theatres should close one day a week but no reason why it has to be Sunday.
Fringe venues, in particular, should promote Sunday shows heavily whilst the current culture of little action persists.
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