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Post by poster J on Mar 6, 2018 13:58:53 GMT
Imelda getting a double nomination was likely - it will be interesting to see which one people think she has the best chance of?. I wonder if it will actually do her more harm than good and split her vote so she ends up winning neither? I can't see many people voting for her twice...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 14:03:14 GMT
I was quite surprised that, although it's a new adaptation, The Miser is up for Best NEW Comedy, unless it so happens that this was the first time the play has been done in London in 350 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 14:04:14 GMT
I think Follies got a few too many as well in my opinion. I liked it, forgettable but I liked it, but I don't think it deserved a Choreography nomination, especially when the Choreography was one tap number, alot of walking around alowly and Janie Dee throwing her leg in the air. I'm also surprised at that Achievement in Music nomination for them, but that has always been a weird catagory to me.
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Post by sophizoey on Mar 6, 2018 14:04:27 GMT
Maybe it's because I'm a huge fan of the John Laurens/Philip Hamiltom character but I think Cleve September's nomination is well deserved. I don't think the award is in order, after all the role itself is just forgettable. For such a small role, he does absolutely wonders with the nuance and bringing in historical context of the character. He certainly beats out most other actors who have played the role for me.
However in that category I'll say what I said to my friend 'I'm rooting for Cleve, Jason deserves it, but Mike will get it'
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Post by showoff on Mar 6, 2018 14:10:17 GMT
I think 42nd street was also robbed in a few awards like actress and actor ,Also feel is odd that girl from north country got actor and actress in a musical but am glad Shelia Atim got a nom.havent seen Hamilton yet but is Michael Gibsons role Oliver nomination worthy, don't think so as it is really a cameo. Personally I feel Hamlet was a bit robbed with Juliet not getting a nom for supporting actress and Robert Icke not getting director, Im happy for all the nominees and there will always be performers that wouldn't get nominated Personally, no. I have to confess to not enjoying his performance at all, and his singing left a lot to be desired. When I went he just couldn't find right key and it was a little painful to listen to. But I know he makes people laugh, so maybe it's easy to disguise?
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Post by madsonmelo on Mar 6, 2018 14:14:25 GMT
Can we assume Hamilton, Follies, The Ferryman and Angels in America will win the top 4 main prizes and then split the awards in other categories? Aside from McCrea, that I believe will in Best Actor in a Musical. I'm so sad that Conlet Hill and Claire Halse were left off the nominees, they were both wonderful funny that they nominated the two girls from Virginia Woolf, but snubbed the two men. An American in Paris snubbed in both lead categories, ouch! But got a deserved Best Musical Nom. Regardless to the Play Categories: Are Garfield, Staunton, Gough the frontrunners? and what about supporting actor?
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Post by showoff on Mar 6, 2018 14:15:59 GMT
I’m genuinely a bit stunned that he didn’t get the nomination Absolutely. I know it’s the most Hamilton heavy category, but I’d have picked Obioma over Jason Pennycooke. Absolutely, actually for me, he was the stand out performance, he really stood out, so I am really quite surprised how many noms there was for the show, and yet he was left out.
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Post by haz23 on Mar 6, 2018 14:17:15 GMT
Clare Halse was robbed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 14:19:07 GMT
Can we assume Hamilton, Follies, The Ferryman and Angels in America will win the top 4 main prizes and then split the awards in other categories? Aside from McCrea, that I believe will in Best Actor in a Musical. I'm so sad that Conlet Hill and Claire Halse were left off the nominees, they were both wonderful funny that they nominated the two girls from Virginia Woolf, but snubbed the two men. An American in Paris snubbed in both lead categories, ouch! But got a deserved Best Musical Nom. Regardless to the Play Categories: Are Garfield, Staunton, Gough the frontrunners? and what about supporting actor? Yeah thar is the likely top 4 winners. 42nd Street isn't gonna win any of its nominations and its actually quite shocking it isn't as it deserves them. American in Paris actually did better than I expected so I'm glad about that.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Mar 6, 2018 14:24:12 GMT
That director category really was stacked, as well as no Robert Icke for Hamlet, no Ivo van Hove for Network or James MacDonald for Virginia Woolf (although all were rewarded elsewhere).
No nominations for Albion is a big surprise but I much preferred Goold's direction for it than the showier work on Ink.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 14:50:46 GMT
I'm surprised (well not really, these are the Oliviers after all) that Ivo van Hove wasn't nominated for 'Network', that was a pretty dazzling show. Can't see what the directors of 'The Fairyman' and 'Shamilton' did to deserve a nomination, other than the fact that the committee felt that they HAD to nominate those shows. They seem pretty simple to direct to me.
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Post by sf on Mar 6, 2018 15:04:18 GMT
I'm surprised (well not really, these are the Oliviers after all) that Ivo van Hove wasn't nominated for 'Network', that was a pretty dazzling show. Can't see what the directors of 'The Fairyman' and 'Shamilton' did to deserve a nomination, other than the fact that the committee felt that they HAD to nominate those shows. They seem pretty simple to direct to me. For me, the lack of a nomination for Ivo van Hove is one of the more egregious omissions. It's very much a director's piece.
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Post by showoff on Mar 6, 2018 15:10:09 GMT
Yeah, she really was. She has to be one of the hardest working women on any stage in London, and yet it all seems effortless for her.
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Post by sf on Mar 6, 2018 15:12:03 GMT
1. Only the Oliviers could nominate something that was first performed in 1668 as Best NEW Comedy.
2. Supporting actress/musical - Sheila Atim vs. Tracie Bennett - difficult call.
3. Best revival/musical - I mostly liked 42nd Street, although it was (very) subject to the law of diminishing returns, and I loved On the Town, but this is not a race.
4. Best actress in a musical - if there is any justice, and there often isn't, this one has Janie Dee's name on it.
5. The Outstanding Achievement in Music category usually ends up looking like they've nominated a pear, a satsuma, a strawberry and a mango for an award for Best Banana. This year is no different.
6. Notable (by which I mean jaw-dropping) omissions: Ivo van Hove, Conleth Hill, Peter Forbes.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 6, 2018 15:17:37 GMT
I'm sorry, no offence to the nominees, but Robert Icke directed the most revelatory Hamlet for years. Bizarre omission.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 6, 2018 15:19:41 GMT
Given how far from the originals any adaptation involving Sean Foley usually is, I think his version of The Miser does count as new. Given that the script was translated and adapted for that production, I think it is legitimate to consider it as a new piece rather than a revival of the original French...
One Man, Two Guvnors was considered a new play - and that was a translation/adaptation job
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Post by vdcni on Mar 6, 2018 16:09:56 GMT
Conleth Hill & Peter Forbes being overlooked is a big shock given the productions they were involved in got quite a lot of attention otherwise.
With Network; Cranston as the one good thing about it rightly got nominated but the production as a whole was pretty ordinary.
Hoping Janie Dee gets a very well deserved best actress in a musical and that Angels takes revival, director and all the acting categories it's up for. Nathan Stewart-Jarrett deserved to be there as well though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 16:49:06 GMT
My early choices would be Janie Dee, John McCrea, Tracie Bennett or Rachel John and Ross Noble or Cleve September. Haven't seen Hamilton, so Cleve because I loved him in Heights and Rachel because shes Rachel. 42nd Street should win Revival but I suspect Follies will. Hamilton will win Musical, but I'd vote for American in Paris personally. I haven't seen many of the Plays, but Actress should be Audra but Imelda will win. Andrew Garfield should and probably will win Actor, but Andrew Scott could cause a threat. In truth, I am one of the rare few who doesn't think Imelda should of been nominsted in either catagory. I'd rather see Natalie Dormer in Play and someine else in Musical (Clare, as she is the lead in 42nd Street really).
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Mar 6, 2018 17:11:00 GMT
With Angels in America now on Broadway it will be interesting to see how its nominations differ, Maybe Nathan Lane stands a better chance of being nominated there.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Mar 6, 2018 17:20:04 GMT
My early choices would be Janie Dee, John McCrea, Tracie Bennett or Rachel John and Ross Noble or Cleve September. Haven't seen Hamilton, so Cleve because I loved him in Heights and Rachel because shes Rachel. 42nd Street should win Revival but I suspect Follies will. Hamilton will win Musical, but I'd vote for American in Paris personally. I haven't seen many of the Plays, but Actress should be Audra but Imelda will win. Andrew Garfield should and probably will win Actor, but Andrew Scott could cause a threat. In truth, I am one of the rare few who doesn't think Imelda should of been nominsted in either catagory. I'd rather see Natalie Dormer in Play and someine else in Musical (Clare, as she is the lead in 42nd Street really). For the acting award I’d go with Dee, Terera, Atim and Pennycooke for musicals. Garfield, Donnelly, McArdle and Gough for plays.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 17:30:25 GMT
Of those nominees, I would go for:
Musicals
John McCrea Josie Walker Ross Noble Lesley Joseph
Play
Andrew Garfield Audra McDonald James McArdle Imogen Poots
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Post by andromedadench on Mar 6, 2018 18:00:57 GMT
Really glad Lesley Joseph has been nominated for YF, I thought she was brilliant. But where's Clare Halse, indeed?
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Post by Polly1 on Mar 6, 2018 18:32:26 GMT
Odd that Ciaran Hinds is nominated for Best Actor in a Musical, in which he doesn't sing, and Audra for Best Actress in a Play where she spends a lot of time singing ... Gutted for Conleth Hill, he woz robbed. No nom for Victoria Hamilton, despite her winning the Critic's Circle award. Mind you, I think Tamsin Greig deserved a nom more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 18:58:08 GMT
It would of been interesting, had Girl From North Country been considered play as initally listed, who would take the places of their three perfomers. One of the lead males from Follies I'd imagine, and probably Rachelle Ann Go and Clare Halse in their respective catagories.
In honesty, I disn't really think that Supporting Actress from North Country did anything special, and I can't even remember their nominated Actor. Shirley's nomination however is totally deserved, shes the star of that show!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 19:09:26 GMT
With Angels in America now on Broadway it will be interesting to see how its nominations differ, Maybe Nathan Lane stands a better chance of being nominated there. I think the only reason Lane did Angels in London was to get a Tony for it on Broadway so I wouldn't like to be within earshot if he doesn't
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 6, 2018 19:14:52 GMT
Glad that Ross Noble, Imedia Staunton and John McCrea got what they deserved, also Paddy Considine and Jaime McArdle.
Surprised that Nathan Lane and Richard Coyle were properly stitched. Also thought there would be more noms for Bat Out of Hell.
Also pleased for Marianne Elliot and the Angels.
Was there really only 3 revivals last year?
Hamilton can only win 10 Oliviers.
Say this every year, so might as well say it again, but don’t understand why they conflate the creative awards for play and musical. Also ditch the Opera and Ballet awards, no objections though if the Oliviers did separate awards for this on a seperate evening.
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 6, 2018 19:44:21 GMT
Since no-one else seems to have mentioned it: impressive to see Mischief Theatre get their 4th nomination in a row. Though goodness only knows how the voters are supposed to compare an improv show to 3 scripted pieces.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 19:53:40 GMT
I reckon Ross Noble will cancel out the Hamilton boys in that Supporting Actor In A Musical category - Cleve was good, though surprised he was nominated over George Washington. I think most people leave remembering Michael Jibson's performance though!
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Post by The Lost on Mar 6, 2018 20:03:12 GMT
This was a really weak year for nominations I thought. Young Frankenstein didn't deserve anything, I'm sorry but it didn't, and there are far too many acting nominations for Hamilton, a show in which only Jamael, Giles and Rachel honestly gave performances that were anything more than adequate. Clare Halse obviously should have got one for 42nd Street, and 42nd Street should have got Set Design. Bat Out of Hell deserved a Set Design nomination too but I can see why it'd miss out as Set Design is the only genuinely very tight category.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Mar 6, 2018 21:33:54 GMT
Just picked up on two more egregious omissions, one predictable, the other unfathomable. The predictable one being Anatomy of a Suicide for best play (too difficult, a play about journalists being more to voters’ liking), the unfathomable one being Romantics Anonymous for best new musical, which could have replaced most of the nominees. I’d also have put Carly Bawden in best actress in a musical but more difficult to find a place.
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