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Post by lynette on Feb 8, 2017 19:24:22 GMT
Nooo, 50 Shades on stage?
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Post by lynette on Feb 8, 2017 22:42:37 GMT
Where can we buy shares?
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Post by poster J on Feb 24, 2017 0:55:34 GMT
Why do I get the feeling everyone has something against me on this damn board recently?! It's not difficult to use the spoiler tag, and out of respect and courtesy to those who may of not seen the film, why not use it rather than post a big spoiler, ruining it for someone who was looking forward to the show?! ... I'll remember these responses next time I see a show. I don't think anyone has anything against you, people just assumed very reasonably that this is a plot that most people know as it's very much a well-known story in the public domain. Therefore to my mind nothing in this show is a spoiler except perhaps the lyrics and melodies of the songs. The overall plot certainly doesn't fall within what I'd term a spoiler, so I wouldn't have thought to use the spoiler tag at all. If you go by what you're asking, the whole board would be spoiler tags and nothing else, as there'll always be someone who hasn't seen something! The point is whether it's something new that practically no-one will know except those who have seen the show (like the Harry Potter play before the script was published), or is it something familiar. If the latter, then I think it's perfectly reasonable for people not to consider it a spoiler. The Girls is based on a film that came out well over 10 years ago, which itself has already been the subject of a successful play. I honestly don't see how it could possibly be considered a spoiler any more than the likes of Les Mis ever has been. And I have to admit I don't really understand why if you wanted to avoid being spoiled you ventured into this thread - it's not difficult to avoid a thread/avoid reviews/avoid listening to the score or Youtube videos etc. until you've seen a show if you're desperate to go into it blind, like I'm doing with resisting downloading the Hamilton cast recording before December! That's all entirely within your control, it just depends how much you want to be going into a show completely blind. Just my opinion though.
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Post by daniel on Feb 24, 2017 0:55:36 GMT
Just to weigh in with my two cents, I would say that it's always best to err on the side of caution with these things.
With The Girls specifically, I knew nothing really about it in advance, other than it being something to do with cancer. I usually like to go into a show blind to what's going to happen, so if I'd been told a major part of the plot in advance I'd be really disappointed too.
I guess the argument is whether an online forum is a place where one should expect to see spoilers. I think I would say no, just on the basis that I wouldn't want people who don't want spoilers to avoid the board completely. Though equally people who have seen the show will want a place to discuss it, possibly including the potential spoilers, and without creating a spoiler/non spoiler thread for every single show, the main thread is the only place to discuss. Tricky one.
I totally get what people say about the fact that whilst a new musical, the story itself is generally well-known so it should be able to be discussed openly, but surely it's not a massive amount of effort to add spoiler tags to critical aspects, even if just for the benefit of the few who want to go in completely unawares?
Perhaps the mods can clarify what the official procedure should be?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 1:02:51 GMT
No, no, no... the general public have this knowlage of Calender Girls: women get naked for charity calender. That is the general consenus for people, even those who haven't seen the film, play or musical, but they don't know the story unless they have seen these incarnations.
I did not know a single thing about the story, other than what i said above, as did probably have the people on this board. And I feel it may have just been spoiled for people, including myself. Its all well and good saying don't come to this thread, but we have managed however long this far with a well known story without giving away what I am assuming is, for a first time viewer, a pretty big spoiler until now. I have been reading this thread for months and still had no idea what happened in the show until you spoiled it. I am not asking what was sid to not be said, but have a bit of consideration, especially as the show has just opened and the vast majority haven't seen it.
And I don't feel everyone has something against me, but I do feel that, recently, I have been ganged up on or attacked on here for no reason or for unfair reasons. But, as I comtinuoiusly feel I am saying, thats just me and my mind.
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Post by infofreako on Feb 24, 2017 1:04:07 GMT
Why do I get the feeling everyone has something against me on this damn board recently?! It's not difficult to use the spoiler tag, and out of respect and courtesy to those who may of not seen the film, why not use it rather than post a big spoiler, ruining it for someone who was looking forward to the show?! ... I'll remember these responses next time I see a show. Wasn't having a dig at you. Far more the people I was sat near. For what its worth I agree on the issue of spoilers much of the time. Apologies if it came across that way. Think its time for me to remove myself from here if things are going to be taken like that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 1:06:04 GMT
Apologies for that, and unless an admin can put spoilers into my post it can't be changed now I haven't seen the play/film either. Sometimes its a fine line to tell whether something that happens in the first half of a story, which offsets the whole premise of the story, should be spoiled or not. Thank you for the apology, im grateful. And my most recent post, I got confused with board names, so it sounds like it is aimed at you but I was just confused.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 1:11:50 GMT
Why do I get the feeling everyone has something against me on this damn board recently?! It's not difficult to use the spoiler tag, and out of respect and courtesy to those who may of not seen the film, why not use it rather than post a big spoiler, ruining it for someone who was looking forward to the show?! ... I'll remember these responses next time I see a show. Wasn't having a dig at you. Far more the people I was sat near. For what its worth I agree on the issue of spoilers much of the time. Apologies if it came across that way. Think its time for me to remove myself from here if things are going to be taken like that It wasn't aimed at you lovely, I know you wouldn't be nasty or anything like that, and the whole feeling ganged up thing, trust me, that has nothing to do with you at all! But I have felt very much recently, that several on this board have been on my case for no real reason. To a point where I should be the one to remove myself before anyone else does. But it is not you at all lovely.
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Post by poster J on Feb 24, 2017 1:18:15 GMT
No, no, no... the general public have this knowlage of Calender Girls: women get naked for charity calender. That is the general consenus for people, even those who haven't seen the film, play or musical, but they don't know the story unless they have seen these incarnations. I did not know a single thing about the story, other than what i said above, as did probably have the people on this board. And I feel it may have just been spoiled for people, including myself. Its all well and good saying don't come to this thread, but we have managed however long this far with a well known story without giving away what I am assuming is, for a first time viewer, a pretty big spoiler until now. I have been reading this thread for months and still had no idea what happened in the show until you spoiled it. I am not asking what was sid to not be said, but have a bit of consideration, especially as the show has just opened and the vast majority haven't seen it. And I don't feel everyone has something against me, but I do feel that, recently, I have been ganged up on or attacked on here for no reason or for unfair reasons. But, as I comtinuoiusly feel I am saying, thats just me and my mind. Apologies if it seemed like I was attacking you, that was not my intention - you were the one who raised the point so it was your post it felt appropriate to reply to. I was just making a general point about my own opinion on what reasonably could be considered a spoiler or not., which is a subject everyone is entitled to have an opinion on just like anything else. I was just giving my two cents. I haven't seen anything on here that wasn't in the film as far as I recall (haven't seen it in years), so I don't think anyone who has seen the film or the play would really be spoiled by anything that's been posted here. I think it's a difficult line to tread between having a board that's so full of spoiler tags that there's barely anything else, and letting people talk freely about what they've seen. I don't recall many threads at all on this board using spoiler tags a lot at all, so it seems to me it's more "at your own risk", which I think is how it should be on a forum - people shouldn't have to tag everything just in case it happens to be a spoiler who people who haven't seen or read the source material - once a show has opened I think it's fair game to expect that people will discuss it, and it's even more fair game if it has any sort of widely known source material. If it's completely and utterly new and no-one knows a thing about it, that's different, but this show isn't in that category. I get your point about managing however long without you reading something you considered spoilery, but to my mind that's just luck - at the end of the day if a person decides they want to see a show completely unspoiled, they will always be taking a risk in going into a thread about that show. If you want to take that risk, that's entirely your prerogative, but if you then come across a spoiler, then that's just the way it is - you could have remained unspoiled through temporary avoidance, but it was your choice not to do so. People are entitled to be excited and discuss a show, that's the whole purpose of this forum, and I think it would be a real shame if everything was hidden behind tags.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 1:27:03 GMT
Just because someone might disagree with you on certain points, or in various threads, doesnt mean anyone is against you.
If some new very young members joined, should we be putting spoiler tags in if we talk about Les Miz or Phantom, in case they havent seen it? Of course not. The films was out nearly 15 years ago and the play has toured endlessly since, the story is out there and known. i'm sorry you didnt know about that plot point, but its not a new story and there will always be someone who doesnt know something about a specific show. As someone else mentioned above, If it was a totally new musical, i.e Dear Evan Hansen, then you have a valid reason for complaining about spoilers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 1:34:14 GMT
Just because someone might disagree with you on certain points, or in various threads, doesnt mean anyone is against you. Yeah, come back to me on that when you get the level of crap I do on here for mostly no reason, pretty much on a daily basis. You do start to feel like you are being attacked. And it's not just casual members I have felt this from either, if i could share my PM's, I would.
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Post by wickedgrin on Feb 24, 2017 1:47:15 GMT
I don't even know how to do spoiler tags I'm afraid.
At the end of Titanic - the ship sinks! Sorry to spoil the ending for anyone who didn't know. Moderators please feel free to add spoiler tags or tell me how it's done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 1:49:45 GMT
Wow... thanks for the selfishness from some tonight, it is much appreciated. Was actually starting to look forward to this show as well. {Spoiler - click to view} I didn't even know the show was about cancer, and I have just lost someone to this illness, so I don't think this show is best for me at the moment anyway.
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Post by showtoones on Feb 24, 2017 1:59:00 GMT
Wow... thanks guys, the selfishness is much appreciated. Was actually starting to look forward to this show as well. I wasn't being selfish Daniel - I was complimenting you...after all you love Marisha so you have great taste!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 2:01:44 GMT
Wow... thanks guys, the selfishness is much appreciated. Was actually starting to look forward to this show as well. I wasn't being selfish Daniel - I was complimenting you...after all you love Marisha so you have great taste! I wasn't referring to you love, that was just poor timing on my part in putting up the post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 4:35:07 GMT
I love you and your posts! We're always on the same page on basically everything!
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Post by Michael on Feb 24, 2017 5:21:17 GMT
And I have to admit I don't really understand why if you wanted to avoid being spoiled you ventured into this thread - it's not difficult to avoid a thread/avoid reviews/avoid listening to the score or Youtube videos etc. until you've seen a show if you're desperate to go into it blind, like I'm doing with resisting downloading the Hamilton cast recording before December! That's all entirely within your control, it just depends how much you want to be going into a show completely blind. Just my opinion though. I couldn't have said it better myself. If you don't want to know, don't read the thread. Problem solved.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 7:42:11 GMT
And I have to admit I don't really understand why if you wanted to avoid being spoiled you ventured into this thread - it's not difficult to avoid a thread/avoid reviews/avoid listening to the score or Youtube videos etc. until you've seen a show if you're desperate to go into it blind, like I'm doing with resisting downloading the Hamilton cast recording before December! That's all entirely within your control, it just depends how much you want to be going into a show completely blind. Just my opinion though. I couldn't have said it better myself. If you don't want to know, don't read the thread. Problem solved. So we are free to talk about huge show spoilers open and freely in respective threads without using the spoiler tag that mods ask us to use all the time? Well that makes my life easier then, I'll remember that and if anyone tells me off for that I will bring them back to this thread then. Problem solved, thank you for clarifying.
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Post by shady23 on Feb 24, 2017 8:17:43 GMT
If I am planning on seeing a show I don't really look at a thread when it's started as I don't want to read anything about it, even the little things. Big things should probably have a spoiler notice though, I am sure if someone revealed "the secret" in the Harry Potter thread, folk would not be best pleased.
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Post by Baemax on Feb 24, 2017 8:29:31 GMT
Seriously though, we have people actively using the spoiler tags in the *HAMLET* thread for crying out loud, I don't see how danieljohnson14's request is so unreasonable in this case?!
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Post by poster J on Feb 24, 2017 8:35:41 GMT
I couldn't have said it better myself. If you don't want to know, don't read the thread. Problem solved. So we are free to talk about huge show spoilers open and freely in respective threads without using the spoiler tag that mods ask us to use all the time? Well that makes my life easier then, I'll remember that and if anyone tells me off for that I will bring them back to this thread then. Problem solved, thank you for clarifying. When a show is in the public domain, has public, well known source material that has been out there for years and basically already done in several productions before then yes, I don't see why not - it's not a spoiler if it's easily accessible. Just because someone hasn't read the book or seen the movie doesn't make it a spoiler in that case If it's completely new, no published source material and not even finished previews yet then that's a different story and I think that's fairly obvious - people don't have access to the source material even if they'd wanted to read it. It all does always come back to personal choice though - it is entirely within anyone's control as to whether they get spoiled on a forum as no-one is forcing anyone to click on the thread relating to the show. It's at that person's own risk and as far as I'm concerned the forum shouldn't be policed just because a couple of people haven't seen something that has been widely distributed - once something is that public it is fair game for comment and it's no-one's right to dictate that it shouldn't be discussed (that's also the point of reviews, to discuss a show, and the reviews are out for this). If you know the source material is widely known, as in this case, then there's obviously going to be a risk people will discuss it, so if I wanted to go in completely unspoiled the obvious and easy thing in my mind would be to avoid the thread. Forgive me, but I'm struggling to understand why doing so would be problematic.
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Post by poster J on Feb 24, 2017 8:39:29 GMT
Seriously though, we have people actively using the spoiler tags in the *HAMLET* thread for crying out loud, I don't see how danieljohnson14's request is so unreasonable in this case?! Surely it comes down to the question of what is and isn't a spoiler? In this case the complaint was about a poster revealing part of the plot, a plot which is derived directly from a very widely distributed film and previous play. I haven't read the Hamlet thread, but presumably the only thing that could possibly be remotely spoilery in that would relate to acting choices or staging? In either case I wouldn't really consider those spoilers, and again if I wanted to avoid knowing those details I'd simply avoid the thread until I'd seen the production and leave others to discuss as they please. That's exactly my point about excessive spoiler tag usage being completely unnecessary.
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Post by emicardiff on Feb 24, 2017 8:45:31 GMT
Ok firstly I think danieljohnson14 has spoken really reasonably about his requests and in this case the original post was quite spoiler-y in terms of the 'how' of this production, so could have disappointed some others given that it's barely open. Likewise the 'how' of the events in Hamlet could be considered spoiler-y again given it's hardly open. I don't really want to see every tiny detail of every production spoiler- tagged because well everything would be hidden! but perhaps an agreement in the early days of a production we spoiler tag the 'how' or 'key plot points' but once something has been open a few months (and reviews are out etc)it becomes 'fair game' and we don't spoiler tag unless it's MAJOR? then it's up to individuals to decide whether they want to read threads or not...
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Post by The Matthew on Feb 24, 2017 9:01:29 GMT
I don't know what the situation is in this particular case, but to me a spoiler is when the story is intentionally told in a particular way specifically to withhold certain information until just the right moment, because the effect of the story requires that the audience interpret the preceding events in a manner that would be different if they knew the spoiler.
An example would be a murder mystery where the near-victim who escapes turns out to be the murderer, so the character that appears to be in danger for much of the story is actually the source of the danger. Knowing that in advance would change all the suspense and all the audience's understanding of the relationships between the characters. What wouldn't be a spoiler is "the butler dies", especially if it's preceded by the butler saying "I hear a mysterious noise coming from the cellar. I will investigate it alone, with only this easily-extinguished candle to light my way." It's a murder mystery: of course characters are going to die, and it's not a spoiler to say so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 9:13:41 GMT
Seriously though, we have people actively using the spoiler tags in the *HAMLET* thread for crying out loud, I don't see how danieljohnson14 's request is so unreasonable in this case?! Surely it comes down to the question of what is and isn't a spoiler? In this case the complaint was about a poster revealing part of the plot, a plot which is derived directly from a very widely distributed film and previous play. So by this thought process, Cursed Child is a very, very widly distributed book... so if I read it, I am good to give away spoilers on the general thread because it is widely distributed and therefore I am safe to assume everyone has read it? Because if that is the case, as you are implying,I am happy to oblige when I see the show! To those worrying, I'm not a dick like that, I won't do that. And the person who posted the inital Girls spoiler has apologised and a spoiler tag has been put up for future readers, so I am really over it now. AllI am asking for is curtosy before posting so openly about a show. I always double check and think about what I am posting and think will it spoil it for someone!
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Post by poster J on Feb 24, 2017 9:20:18 GMT
Surely it comes down to the question of what is and isn't a spoiler? In this case the complaint was about a poster revealing part of the plot, a plot which is derived directly from a very widely distributed film and previous play. So by this thought process, Cursed Child is a very, very widly distributed book... so if I read it, I am good to give away spoilers on the general thread because it is widely distributed and therefore I am safe to assume everyone has read it? Because if that is the case, as you are implying,I am happy to oblige when I see the show! To those worrying, I'm not a dick like that, I won't do that. And the person who posted the inital Girls spoiler has apologised and a spoiler tag has been put up for future readers, so I am really over it now. AllI am asking for is curtosy before posting so openly about a show. I always double check and think about what I am posting and think will it spoil it for someone! To be honest, my opinion on that is that Cursed Child has now been out so long that it's not really a spoiler anymore so I don't particularly see the need for a separate spoiler thread - if people don't want to know the plot then they can avoid the script and the thread. And I say that as someone who doesn't have a ticket until June, so if I wanted to remain unspoiled I'd have to stay out of the thread! Just my opinion though, I only really think spoiler tags are necessary in previews for most things, or until the book is published.
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Post by Baemax on Feb 24, 2017 9:28:16 GMT
Nooo, you need a period *after* a book is published, not everyone is going to devour it in the first few hours of purchase. Even if they want to, they might not be physically capable of doing so! I personally reckon at least 24 hours after a TV episode has aired, wait for the DVD release of a film, at least get to press night of a show, and give it ideally a month after a book is published depending on the size of the book. But, y'know, it's okay to still be considerate of spoilers *after* a reasonable time period has gone by, because you don't know who's coming new to the story and people should be able to make their own decisions if they want plot points spoiled (in which case they can look up a synopsis or something) rather than having the decision taken out of their hands.
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Post by poster J on Feb 24, 2017 9:52:21 GMT
I agree about a reasonable period, but the Cursed Child script has been out for about 6 months now, that's pretty reasonable in my mind.
Of course people can still be considerate, my point is more that people shouldn't be stopped from freely discussing something that's familiar or been out for months when if a particular person wants to remain unspoiled they have the freedom of choice to avoid the conversation by not looking at the thread. I asked why that was such an issue as I genuinely don't see how it could be given it's the only sure way of remaining unspoiled no matter what the spoiler tag policy, but I don't think my question has been answered as yet.
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Post by emicardiff on Feb 24, 2017 9:55:16 GMT
I mean, as with all things, the 'don't be a dick' rule should be applied- a bit of common sense tells you if something is major enough to spoil a production by revealing it. Such things are always relative and I do think that some people are too sensitive to 'spoilers' and should take responsibility for their own 'protection' in that case. But generally if you're doing a Homer Simpson coming out of Star Wars deliberately, then you're being a dick. If you're discussing the thing and unwittingly drop a bombshell you're human.
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Post by wickedgrin on Feb 24, 2017 11:18:31 GMT
Spoilers - it's an interesting discussion though isn't it, this after all is a discussion board although it has gone hopelessly off topic!
I do think people have to take personal responsibility. A spoiler for one person may not be a spoiler for someone else. There has to be a degree of "common sense" - clearly giving away the murderer in a thriller is a spoiler.
The discussion so far has focused on plot spoilers, but when "reviewing" or discussing a show I have seen, I have been open about my thoughts on staging, lighting, sets, choreography etc. Is this spoilerish? Is that even a word? But then you simply would not be able to say anything other than " I did/didn't enjoy this show".
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