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Post by lynette on Feb 7, 2017 14:09:00 GMT
Apollo 13. We all know it gets back in the end but this is a classic example of process being the interest . I could watch that one again and again! Movies are good at this. While I would love to have been in the very first audience for Hamlet, I'm not now bothered that I know he dies in the end ( hope I haven't spoilt that for anyone going to the Almeida later this year ) I know Hedda kills herself at the end. I was still, like the rest of the audience holding my breath and my hands near my ears. The skill of the writer is to create and build on anticipation. If someone dies in Hamilton, someone who is an historical character presumably the writer has sorted this out and we will feel whatever we are meant to feel, pity, relief, joy ....I actually don't know that much about this part of American history. If he has added a few people for creative reasons, well, let's see how it works. Now we live in this any time age we can be caught out sometimes when for example, they always publish in the newspaper the following morning the Strictly exitee when I haven't watched the programme yet, but you can avoid this kind of thing if you try hard.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 7, 2017 14:16:06 GMT
Hamilton tells you the plot & who does what to him in the opening number!! I don't think they were trying to keep the characters fates as a surprise to the audience as opposed to something like the end of West Side Story, where.....I'll stop there, I think! ;-) The funny thing about avoiding spoilers is that in doing so, you can't know what does and does not constitute a spoiler - because you don't know enough about it to judge its importance to the story. That's why people end up becoming so spoiler-sensitive that ANY information becomes something they worry about 'spoiling' them. If you're avoiding information about Hamilton, you don't know what the opening number does. A funny example of that was Empire Magazine managing to unwittingly spoil the ending of Thor: The Dark World on their front cover - only, at the time, no-one realised that it was a spoiler because no-one could understand the significance of the image before seeing the film.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 7, 2017 14:24:40 GMT
While I would love to have been in the very first audience for Hamlet, I'm not now bothered that I know he dies in the end ( hope I haven't spoilt that for anyone going to the Almeida later this year ) On the other hand, if I knew someone was going to Hamlet and had somehow managed to know nothing about the play, I would definitely do my best to preserve the surprise for them. I was so annoyed by the snobbery around Cumber-Hamlet and all the complaining that Cumberbatch fans were seeing the play without actually knowing anything about it. That's the best way to see it!! I took someone to see the Martin Freeman Richard III who had never seen/read the play before, and I was giddy with delight when I saw the fish tank and realised that she had no idea what was going to happen with it. To her, it was just a bit of set-dressing. I got to vicariously experience that moment for the first time with her. Then again, I was spoiled for Sixth Sense by some utter Tw*t in the audience of a live TV programme saying what the twist was - but I still very much enjoyed watching the film.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 14:25:45 GMT
I personally think when something has been available to watch longer than 6 months or so it should no longer be considered a spoiler and people should feel free to discuss things openly. Yes it's a shame for people in the UK/other places in the world who don't get to see it within those 6 months but that's the way theatre works and ultimately the way the cookie crumbles.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 14:29:59 GMT
I think, on both sides of it (and in life) the phrase 'just don't be a dick about it' springs to mind...if you want to remain spoiler free, fine but don't be a dick if someone accidentally spoils it. Likewise if you like spoilers/already know, don't be a dick to those who don't.
(as an aside, being the uncultured swine that I am, Freeman's Richard III was the first time I'd encountered it so I had no idea. But there are many who would judge ME for that, for not knowing all the Shakespeare you're right Kathryn, and you know what I probably had a better time with that element of surprise)
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Post by 49thand8th on Feb 7, 2017 15:12:08 GMT
I think, on both sides of it (and in life) the phrase 'just don't be a dick about it' springs to mind...if you want to remain spoiler free, fine but don't be a dick if someone accidentally spoils it. Likewise if you like spoilers/already know, don't be a dick to those who don't. (as an aside, being the uncultured swine that I am, Freeman's Richard III was the first time I'd encountered it so I had no idea. But there are many who would judge ME for that, for not knowing all the Shakespeare you're right Kathryn, and you know what I probably had a better time with that element of surprise) I'm sure you also didn't come crowing to a message board, arms crossed, screaming that IT WAS RUINED!!!! either, so you have that going for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 15:19:26 GMT
I think, on both sides of it (and in life) the phrase 'just don't be a dick about it' springs to mind...if you want to remain spoiler free, fine but don't be a dick if someone accidentally spoils it. Likewise if you like spoilers/already know, don't be a dick to those who don't. (as an aside, being the uncultured swine that I am, Freeman's Richard III was the first time I'd encountered it so I had no idea. But there are many who would judge ME for that, for not knowing all the Shakespeare you're right Kathryn, and you know what I probably had a better time with that element of surprise) I'm sure you also didn't come crowing to a message board, arms crossed, screaming that IT WAS RUINED!!!! either, so you have that going for you. haha indeed not. My chief complaint if I recall was the theatre was hotter than hell.
Also I'm impressed I had the restraint not to say 'Freeman's Dick' in the original post.
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Post by nick on Feb 7, 2017 15:29:07 GMT
I'd just like to say that I don't know 'whodunnit' in the Mousetrap. Is this a record?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 15:35:09 GMT
I'd just like to say that I don't know 'whodunnit' in the Mousetrap. Is this a record? me either! I'd kind of like to know just to save me the bother of sitting through it...
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Post by infofreako on Feb 7, 2017 15:39:47 GMT
I dont know the answer to that one either. I have a friend who is in it currently and is always offering me tickets. Just never get round to it
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Post by nick on Feb 7, 2017 15:43:01 GMT
I dont know the answer to that one either. I have a friend who is in it currently and is always offering me tickets. Just never get round to it I love the irony of your user name. A bit of info you've not freaked over.
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Post by The Matthew on Feb 7, 2017 16:08:05 GMT
I'd just like to say that I don't know 'whodunnit' in the Mousetrap. Is this a record? me either! I'd kind of like to know just to save me the bother of sitting through it... I sat through it and have forgotten anyway.
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Post by mallardo on Feb 7, 2017 16:24:34 GMT
I'm sure you also didn't come crowing to a message board, arms crossed, screaming that IT WAS RUINED!!!! either, so you have that going for you.
Also I'm impressed I had the restraint not to say 'Freeman's Dick' in the original post.
So much for restraint.
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Post by bellboard27 on Feb 7, 2017 16:33:02 GMT
I can't wait to find out how this thread ends.
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Post by The Matthew on Feb 7, 2017 17:44:40 GMT
I can't wait to find out how this thread ends. If it goes the way many of these threads go then it'll never end. It will outlive the universe.
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Post by bellboard27 on Feb 7, 2017 17:48:03 GMT
I can't wait to find out how this thread ends. If it goes the way many of these threads go then it'll never end. It will outlive the universe. You could lock it and then keep the ending a secret known only to yourself.
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Post by poster J on Feb 7, 2017 17:56:54 GMT
If it goes the way many of these threads go then it'll never end. It will outlive the universe. You could lock it and then keep the ending a secret known only to yourself. Surely the ending would be the last post in the thread in that case, so the mods would have to keep an eye on this and determine the appropriate point to lock it?
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Post by aksis on Feb 7, 2017 18:53:08 GMT
Surely the ending would be the last post in the thread in that case, so the mods would have to keep an eye on this and determine the appropriate point to lock it? Awww I did not want to know that
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Post by altamont on Feb 7, 2017 19:11:28 GMT
I'd just like to say that I don't know 'whodunnit' in the Mousetrap. Is this a record? The BBC programme Points of View (allowing people to comment on other BBC shows) once had a viewer complaining that the identity of the killer had been given away in a comedy show. And what did Points of View do? They replayed the clip identifying the killer. So although I haven't seen the play, or the comic who gave away the ending, I still know what happens
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 19:29:16 GMT
Also I'm impressed I had the restraint not to say 'Freeman's Dick' in the original post.
So much for restraint.
Restraint is overrated anyway.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 7, 2017 23:23:14 GMT
I saw The Mousetrap tour. At the end they go to some considerable trouble to ask punters to "keep the secret".
No need to worry with me. In the ten minute walk from the theatre to chez burly I'd completely forgotten who and why.
There was a bloke wearing yellow trousers. Other than that it's a total blank.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 9:30:59 GMT
Restraint is overrated anyway. Admit it, emicardiff, you stole that line from the new "Fifty Shades of Grey" movie, didn't you. haha I honestly can say I've never seen it. I will admit to reading half of it then throwing it across the room in horror. (True story, I downloaded it pre the hype and thought it was a trashy thriller not a trashy...well not thriller)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 9:39:19 GMT
Not bothered with the films, but have read the books, myself. I think they are by 2 different writers, as the style changes totally about half way through the second one. Oh now I'm intrigued (but go on Monkey admit it, you're just angling for a Valentines date to the latest one... )
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 9:42:20 GMT
you're just angling for a Valentines date to the latest one. Ok, fair enough, emicardiff. I do feel that nothing says "I Love You," like tying someone up and beating the C**p out of them. I mean same, it's a wonder this hasn't been the stalwart date movie this time of years for longer frankly...can think of nothing more charming
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Post by andrew on Feb 8, 2017 12:15:04 GMT
I really could not have predicted that this is where a thread about Hamilton spoilers would end up.
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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 8, 2017 12:57:26 GMT
If you surf the web, just like we all do on here (no spoiler there). If you read peoples' opinions which social media is, then you will come across spoilers.
If you cross the motorway, instead of using that footbridge, eventually you are going to get hit by a motorised vehicle, that is just like going on social media, there is always a risk!!!
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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 8, 2017 13:01:02 GMT
Also a lot of movies have had a second life on stage, where we are all aware of the story from seeing the movie, this doesn't diminish my enjoyment for the stage form, my enjoyment can be intensified by seeing something bettered for the stage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 13:18:19 GMT
I really could not have predicted that this is where a thread about Hamilton spoilers would end up. It's clearly time to write my raunchy fanfiction version of Hamilton and make a killing in books and film franchises. Now who to cast...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 13:18:52 GMT
Also a lot of movies have had a second life on stage, where we are all aware of the story from seeing the movie, this doesn't diminish my enjoyment for the stage form, my enjoyment can be intensified by seeing something bettered for the stage. In the context of the 50 Shades of Grey discussion that comment takes on a whole new meaning...
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Post by Stasia on Feb 8, 2017 14:02:16 GMT
I really could not have predicted that this is where a thread about Hamilton spoilers would end up. Can I triple-like that, please? I need to stop laughing, I'm in the office!
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