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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 21:59:23 GMT
Watched the first two episodes tonight with a selection box of M&S Viennese biscuits #rockandroll. The flower budget must be astronomical. The flowers in the White House scene were about as big as a car.
I can’t quite help feeling that Colman and HBC aren’t the right age for the characters just yet, it keeps throwing me off. I’ve just watched a bunch of This is Us so I know the technology exists to ‘youngen’ people and I don’t know why they didn’t use it.
Part of me wants to joke about last night’s episode, the one hander with Prince Andrew and Emily Maitlis but I just found it so gob-smackingly awful i can’t.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 18, 2019 11:38:29 GMT
The Queen Mother has been transformed from a nasty old bat in seasons 1 and 2 into some sort of grinning dimwit this time. The actress has got that famous smile off to a tee but the personality transplant remains unexplained.
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Post by viserys on Nov 18, 2019 11:44:21 GMT
I've only watched three episodes so far - I want to binge it all, but I ALSO want to pace myself so I can watch the last episodes on the Eurostar on my way to London on Friday, that only feels right For me as a foreigner it's a wonderful lesson in recent British history. The Aberfan tragedy was shocking, I hadn't known about it before. Admit I also struggle a bit with seeing beyond Olivia Colman and Helena Bonham Carter because both are such famous faces. That said I've seen Tobias Menzies in plenty things before, too, but I only see Prince Philip here.
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Post by profquatermass on Nov 18, 2019 14:43:41 GMT
Because I have no life, I watched it all yesterday. I doubt it will be Josh O'Connor's defining role - he's only in the last few episodes and presumably won't be in every episode of season 4.
I like the fact they've brought in new writers (James Graham did the one about Chas learning Welsh). Hope they do that more next series
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Post by lynette on Nov 19, 2019 16:31:56 GMT
I was in Wales at the time of the investiture and Charles' s studentship there. I was a student up the road as it were at Bangor. We had all sorts of things going on, Welsh sit ins which were great cos it meant cancellation of classes. And everything was printed in Welsh, signs in Welsh etc. My landlady spoke Welsh, but very politely changed to English when I came in the room. There were fires in English second homes in Snowdonia. I learnt no Welsh expect the basics, please, thank you and ladies' toilets. In the shops, some of them, the shop keepers spoke Welsh and didn’t like speaking English. They made it clear. I’m afraid it all went over my head somewhat. We went to Aber after the Investiture and saw the tea towels and the other souvenirs in the shops. Amusing. Tbh my friends and I thought we were serious students and Charles was a PR exercise even then when we didn’t know what PR was.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 21, 2019 23:15:53 GMT
Imelda to take over from Olivia for seasons 5 and 6
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Post by princeton on Nov 22, 2019 0:24:41 GMT
Imelda Staunton has already played The Queen, albeit a younger version, in the BBC's Cambridge Spies which was shown in 2003. Interestingly the series also featured Samuel West as Anthony Blunt.
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Post by Jon on Nov 22, 2019 0:26:04 GMT
I assume we won't see Imelda in The Crown until 2022 at the earliest.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 22, 2019 0:43:29 GMT
Imelda Staunton has already played The Queen, albeit a younger version, in the BBC's Cambridge Spies which was shown in 2003. Interestingly the series also featured Samuel West as Anthony Blunt. So much of the Blunt dialogue felt straight out of Single Spies during that episode. The West casting was a bit freaky given the Cambridge Spies connection. He does it very well but...
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Post by princeton on Nov 22, 2019 1:19:49 GMT
Imelda Staunton has already played The Queen, albeit a younger version Oops my error - of course the Queen in Cambridge Spies wasn't Queen Elizabeth II, rather Queen Elizabeth the wife of King George VI - who we now know better as the Queen Mother. I guess there's precedent given that Olivia Colman played the Queen Mother - or Queen consort as she was at the time - in Hyde Park on Hudson (as did Helena Bonham Carter in The King's Speech) before playing her daughter. Whereas in a reverse move Marion Bailey played Queen Elizabeth II in Moira Buffini's Handbagged then moved on to play the Queen Mother in The Crown. And of course in Single Spies the Queen was played by Prunella Scales - mother of aforementioned Sam West. As oxfordsimon says it sometimes feels a tad freaky - I mean it's not as though we are starved of actors in the UK.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Nov 22, 2019 12:28:39 GMT
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Post by basi1faw1ty on Nov 22, 2019 19:33:32 GMT
I came for Charles Edwards (obviously, though he wasn't given that much to do), and stayed for Tobias and his pin point Phillip accent and Olivia Colman's Emmy winning tear.
While most of it was good (ep2/3/6 excellent, ep5 a booooooorefest), they could have done more with the silver jubliee instead of shoving it at the end of ep 10 (and showing like 2 minutes of it), like moved it to season 4 and doing ep1 of that season centred on that? Also no Princess Anne kidnap?
And damn you James Graham for making me feel empathy for Charlie. He's a bleeding good writer.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 22, 2019 20:19:44 GMT
Watched it all now. It’s fantastic from a production values perspective but totally fails on authenticity. Please please not imelda for the older QE2.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Nov 22, 2019 20:36:37 GMT
Episode 7 was such a chore. Did we really need to spend more time on Philip's castration anxiety? After two seasons about that?
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Post by dippy on Nov 22, 2019 20:46:57 GMT
Oh yes, I forgot how boring 7 was, it's one of the ones I saw a month or so ago so had forgotten about it. My mum has now watched 5, I fell asleep, oops. Other than those two episodes though I will happily watch any of them again.
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Post by lynette on Nov 22, 2019 22:27:51 GMT
It hasn’t really knocked me out like the previous series. One or two of those were exceptional for example the Duke of Windsor one. But overall I think they moved along well and I love Anne. Well, we all do, don't we? The one reason they have changed the rules of succession now. So that no future Annes get sidelined.
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Post by crowblack on Nov 22, 2019 23:04:09 GMT
Also no Princess Anne kidnap? I bet they're kicking themselves now, given the media and social media reaction to Erin Doherty's performance.
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Post by musicalmarge on Nov 24, 2019 0:07:41 GMT
Shame Coleman refused to wear the blue contact lenses (inside gossip for you!)
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Post by poster J on Nov 24, 2019 0:39:44 GMT
Shame Coleman refused to wear the blue contact lenses (inside gossip for you!) I thought that she's openly admitted she couldn't because they hurt her eyes? It isn't a secret, though I agree it is a shame she couldn't.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 24, 2019 9:26:35 GMT
It hasn’t really knocked me out like the previous series. One or two of those were exceptional for example the Duke of Windsor one. But overall I think they moved along well and I love Anne. Well, we all do, don't we? The one reason they have changed the rules of succession now. So that no future Annes get sidelined. Agree. I still enjoyed it well enough but nowhere near as much as the first two seasons. I wonder it’s because as she becomes a more familiar character our expectations change as to how realistic we need it to be. I usually refer to the internet while I’m watching this sort of thing, and when we are shown the covers of newspapers or public events that were very well known I’ll compare the tv version to how it was represented in real life. S01 and S02 stood up quite well to me doing this “fact checking”, probably because less stuff was released to the papers in the first place. It didn’t go so well with S03, the whole Margaret at the Whitehouse thing being one example. And at the end where Margaret is papped while frolicking on the beach having sun cream applied by Roddy Llewelyn was very different in real life. Yes there were photos of them on the beach but stood rather formally apart having what looks like an earnest conversation. I’m happy to suspend my disbelief for a fictional account of something and totally get that the writers have to fill in the gaps, but this is being presented almost as history which sits less well with me. cant say I’m impressed by Imelda being cast as the next version either.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Nov 25, 2019 9:29:27 GMT
Quite the opposite for me, liked the first two seasons and loved the third. Acting works much better for me with Colman and Menzies, all the cast was fantastic. Also enjoyed every episode, nice mix of episodic and overall storylines. Looking Forward to Season 4.
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Post by viserys on Nov 25, 2019 9:57:34 GMT
For me as a foreigner it's all a very fascinating history lesson, educating me on things I hadn't known about earlier such as the Aberfan disaster.
I would agree though that I liked the first seasons slightly better. While I generally like Olivia Colman and think she's a terrific actress, I struggled to see the Queen and not the actress. here, same with Helena Bonham Carter, who seemed to be doing her usual brand of quirky. Meanwhile Tobias Menzies and Josh O'Connor really disappeared in their roles.
But it was also more interesting (for me) to watch the young Queen settling into her new life and role than seeing the middle-aged Queen... doing not all that much except being staid and rather dull. Again it were the younger ones, who were interesting to watch now, especially Charles. Could have done without the Moonlanding episode and Philip's midlife crisis.
Wonder why they wasted Charles Dance on playing Mountbatten - wouldn't he have made a terrific Old Philip in the later seasons?
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Post by Nicholas on Nov 25, 2019 14:09:52 GMT
Great casting news about Imelda! She's going to absolutely knock it out of the park playing a real queen.
And once she's wowed us all as Dolly, apparently she's then playing some lass called Elizabeth.
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Post by lynette on Nov 25, 2019 14:34:46 GMT
For me as a foreigner it's all a very fascinating history lesson, educating me on things I hadn't known about earlier such as the Aberfan disaster. I would agree though that I liked the first seasons slightly better. While I generally like Olivia Colman and think she's a terrific actress, I struggled to see the Queen and not the actress. here, same with Helena Bonham Carter, who seemed to be doing her usual brand of quirky. Meanwhile Tobias Menzies and Josh O'Connor really disappeared in their roles. But it was also more interesting (for me) to watch the young Queen settling into her new life and role than seeing the middle-aged Queen... doing not all that much except being staid and rather dull. Again it were the younger ones, who were interesting to watch now, especially Charles. Could have done without the Moonlanding episode and Philip's midlife crisis. Wonder why they wasted Charles Dance on playing Mountbatten - wouldn't he have made a terrific Old Philip in the later seasons? Well to be honest, the Fox family could fill most of the roles but I agree dance a good older Philip. We are richly endowed with actors...
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Post by couldileaveyou on Nov 25, 2019 16:34:21 GMT
Absolutely agree with viserys, Charles Dance was born to play older Philip!
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Post by crowblack on Nov 25, 2019 18:00:41 GMT
Absolutely agree with viserys, Charles Dance was born to play older Philip! Mountbatten's probably the meatier role though. Btw, this is the first time I've watched The Crown and I don't think I've ever seen a show where the main characters spend so much time sitting down (it really did remind me of a really posh nursing home!).
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Post by lynette on Nov 25, 2019 19:40:45 GMT
Absolutely agree with viserys, Charles Dance was born to play older Philip! Mountbatten's probably the meatier role though. Btw, this is the first time I've watched The Crown and I don't think I've ever seen a show where the main characters spend so much time sitting down (it really did remind me of a really posh nursing home!). It is getting in and out of cars! But I suppose that is how we have seen them most over the years.
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Post by peggysue on Nov 28, 2019 16:06:11 GMT
Have just seen episode 3 about Aberfan. Utterly heartbreaking. This must be one of the saddest episodes of a drama I have ever seen.
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Post by justfran on Dec 23, 2019 22:05:13 GMT
Have finally finished watching series 3. Overall it was quite disappointing to me and didn’t live up to the high standards set in the previous series. Olivia Colman, whilst being a good actress, seemed mis-cast. Jason Watkins and Tobias Menzies gave the best performances I thought. Aberfan was the strongest episode and so heartbreaking. Hoping for an improvement in series 4!
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jan 31, 2020 15:49:49 GMT
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