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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:16:32 GMT
First time ever... a tie!!
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Post by cheesy116 on Feb 19, 2017 21:18:15 GMT
Can't say I expected School of Rock to win Best Musical but I'm very happy, I love the show!
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Post by isabel on Feb 19, 2017 21:20:05 GMT
Wicked and Les Mis joint winners
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:23:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:23:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:29:26 GMT
That's it... biggest winning musical: Half a Sixpence with 3. Biggest winning play (ever!): Harry Potter with 8.
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Post by greeny11 on Feb 19, 2017 21:30:22 GMT
Clearly, the last 2 awards were held back to allow their winners to come over from the Palace to collect their awards.
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Post by theatre-turtle on Feb 19, 2017 21:33:01 GMT
Sonia's having a good night!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:37:40 GMT
To be fair the technical awards for Harry Potter are well deserved as is Anthony Boyles.
Bit surprised School of Rock won over Aladdin.
Actually musicals wise there are a few surprises. The shows in the bigger theatres seen by more people and with bigger fanbases haven't really come out on top
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:38:40 GMT
To be fair the technical awards for Harry Potter are well deserved as is Anthony Boyles. Bit surprised School of Rock won over Aladdin. Actually musicals wise there are a few surprises. The shows in the bigger theatres seen by more people and with bigger fanbases haven't really come out on top I'm more surprised it won Groundhog Day, Half a Sixpence and Dreamgirls haha! I think all the musical winners were ultimately deserved though. They were all great!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:44:45 GMT
Also Amber winning over Sheridan with all her crazy fans. Really surprising year. Or WOS Awards are not taken that seriously these days so shows/actors don't campaign for votes like they used to
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:48:59 GMT
Also, stunned The Girls won over Rent. That show has crazy fans and has for like 20 years and is on a UK Tour, has a sold out run in London so tonnes of people have seen it! But then, we know one of two things happened... The Girls won because of Gary Barlow's fanbase or Gary slipped them some money.
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Post by Ade on Feb 19, 2017 21:49:19 GMT
Also Amber winning over Sheridan with all her crazy fans. Really surprising year. Or WOS Awards are not taken that seriously these days so shows/actors don't campaign for votes like they used to While personally I think Amber deserves it over Sheridan, I find it ridiculous she was nominated in the first place. Submitting nominations for the awards ended on 24th November and Dreamgirls only started previews on 19th November. The fact that she was eligible in the first place shows how flawed the awards are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:54:01 GMT
Also Amber winning over Sheridan with all her crazy fans. Really surprising year. Or WOS Awards are not taken that seriously these days so shows/actors don't campaign for votes like they used to While personally I think Amber deserves it over Sheridan, I find it ridiculous she was nominated in the first place. Submitting nominations for the awards ended on 24th November and Dreamgirls only started previews on 19th November. The fact that she was eligible in the first place shows how flawed the awards are. That, I agree with. It seems like they just picked the easiest roles/places that maybe previous incarnations of the show have amazed at and got nominations through that like Jimmy and Effie being the showiest roles etc. I know audiences "pick" the nominees but there is no way, based on 5 days of performances, it could of got enough votes for their nominations.
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Post by poster J on Feb 19, 2017 21:58:10 GMT
Also Amber winning over Sheridan with all her crazy fans. Really surprising year. Or WOS Awards are not taken that seriously these days so shows/actors don't campaign for votes like they used to While personally I think Amber deserves it over Sheridan, I find it ridiculous she was nominated in the first place. Submitting nominations for the awards ended on 24th November and Dreamgirls only started previews on 19th November. The fact that she was eligible in the first place shows how flawed the awards are. True, although she did get raves from the very first preview almost across the board from those who did see it early, so I don't think the win was undeserved, and it would have been equally ridiculous had she won a year from now, which will presumably be long after she leaves the show given she's only contracted until November. It was just a badly scheduled opening in that respect - I don't think anyone would have thought it being nominated odd if it had started even a month earlier. I'm just glad The Last Five Years won, and utterly bemused that School of Rock won - I'd have said it was the least likely winner in that category!
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Post by Ade on Feb 19, 2017 22:10:46 GMT
While personally I think Amber deserves it over Sheridan, I find it ridiculous she was nominated in the first place. Submitting nominations for the awards ended on 24th November and Dreamgirls only started previews on 19th November. The fact that she was eligible in the first place shows how flawed the awards are. That, I agree with. It seems like they just picked the easiest roles/places that maybe previous incarnations of the show have amazed at and got nominations through that like Jimmy and Effie being the showiest roles etc. I know audiences "pick" the nominees but there is no way, based on 5 days of performances, it could of got enough votes for their nominations. It does seriously make me doubt the credibility of it. I stand corrected and it actually would have been 6 days so 8 audiences would have seen it - just shy of 10k people. But realistically what portion of those are going to have voted? Not a high number. Perhaps you could argue that a large number of avid theatregoers would have been attending those performances, but I'd also assume a lot of them would already have given their nominations much earlier in the month when voting opened. So I can only assume that either they fixed it so that she received a nomination in the shortlist, or that people popped her name down when they were voting before they'd even seen it. Don't get me wrong, this is no criticism of her performance at all - just the credibility of the awards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 22:16:57 GMT
That, I agree with. It seems like they just picked the easiest roles/places that maybe previous incarnations of the show have amazed at and got nominations through that like Jimmy and Effie being the showiest roles etc. I know audiences "pick" the nominees but there is no way, based on 5 days of performances, it could of got enough votes for their nominations. It does seriously make me doubt the credibility of it. I stand corrected and it actually would have been 6 days so 8 audiences would have seen it - just shy of 10k people. But realistically what portion of those are going to have voted? Not a high number. Perhaps you could argue that a large number of avid theatregoers would have been attending those performances, but I'd also assume a lot of them would already have given their nominations much earlier in the month when voting opened. So I can only assume that either they fixed it so that she received a nomination in the shortlist, or that people popped her name down when they were voting before they'd even seen it. Don't get me wrong, this is no criticism of her performance at all - just the credibility of the awards. There is definitely something shady about how Dreamgirls got its nominations, just because logically it wouldn't be possible unless people voted for it before it even happened, which even then, I would only imagine they would vote for Amber and not the other aspects of the show. That being said, she sounds amazing and has got stellar reviews and having seen the show with Marisha, it is a deserving role, so I am not upset she won at all. But it does make you look at Dreamgirls as an example of maybe these aren't just the audience awards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 22:41:35 GMT
I cannot believe Groundhog Day has won nothing tonight! It is by far one of the best theatre productions I've ever seen!
Seeing School of Rock in a couple of weeks will be very interesting...
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Post by theatremadness on Feb 19, 2017 22:45:28 GMT
I cannot believe Groundhog Day has won nothing tonight! It is by far one of the best theatre productions I've ever seen! Seeing School of Rock in a couple of weeks will be very interesting... Yes I'd tend to agree with you about Groundhog Day, especially about it being one of the best productions I've ever seen, but I'm not totally surprised it won nothing. It was a very limited run which finished quite a while before nominations began, and I'm making a rather general assumption that the vast majority of audiences who would've seen the show (this board not included!), would not be the type to vote in these awards. As for Dreamgirls, I think there's definitely a case of fans of Amber voting for her to support her without even having seen her in the show, but it just so happens that she ended up being so good that she actually deserved it (not seen Dreamgirls myself yet, just going on reviews from others!). The audience voting/popularity contest discussion will *always* be the biggest 'problem' of these awards and will forever be discussed every year these awards continue. This year there seems to have been a few more 'deserving' winners, but there has also been a notable rise in the way theatre productions interact with their audiences on social media, so maybe it gives lesser known names a chance of winning via the fan bases of the show, as opposed to fan bases of the performer themselves!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 3:47:42 GMT
I'm also not sure if non-theatre fans loved Groundhog Day as much as this board does but admittedly I'm just basing this off the fact that when I went to see it no one stood up to clap which is a rarity these days.
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Post by frankubelik on Feb 20, 2017 4:55:18 GMT
Someone mentioned credibility. "New Musical" - DREAMGIRLS 1981 & SIXPENCE 1963. I realise the latter has been substantially altered but these are not "new" - there goes credibility. How anyone could think the bland Emma Williams could have been thought better than Rebecca Trehearn is beyond me.
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Post by alece10 on Feb 20, 2017 7:21:50 GMT
First time ever... a tie!! So of the thousands of people who voted both musicals got EXACTLY the same number of votes? Call me a cynic but I find that hard to believe.
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Post by poster J on Feb 20, 2017 9:08:51 GMT
Someone mentioned credibility. "New Musical" - DREAMGIRLS 1981 & SIXPENCE 1963. I realise the latter has been substantially altered but these are not "new" - there goes credibility. How anyone could think the bland Emma Williams could have been thought better than Rebecca Trehearn is beyond me. Nothing wrong at all with shows being brought back, not sure I get your point?
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Post by poster J on Feb 20, 2017 9:11:09 GMT
First time ever... a tie!! So of the thousands of people who voted both musicals got EXACTLY the same number of votes? Call me a cynic but I find that hard to believe. It can easily happen - Barbra Streisand and Katherine Hepburn got exactly the same number of votes from the thousands of member of the Academy for the Best Actress Oscar years ago. Not sure why there's a need to be cynical - there's nothing to be gained for anyone in having a tie between two shows which don't need any help with publicity or selling tickets!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 9:32:13 GMT
Well. Those winners were major surprises weren't they? Harry Potter winning everything, OMGosh. Give me a heavy fringed bob and call me Mystic Meg!
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Post by Baemax on Feb 20, 2017 9:38:28 GMT
Someone mentioned credibility. "New Musical" - DREAMGIRLS 1981 & SIXPENCE 1963. I realise the latter has been substantially altered but these are not "new" - there goes credibility. How anyone could think the bland Emma Williams could have been thought better than Rebecca Trehearn is beyond me. Nothing wrong at all with shows being brought back, not sure I get your point? The point seems to be bringing shows back, but calling them new rather than revivals. Dreamgirls has never had a UK run before so counts as new whether we like it or not, though passing Half A Sixpence off as an entirely new piece is rather cheeky.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 9:45:13 GMT
I think there is a rule somewhere, I can't remember where I read it may be the Tony rules, but if a musical has at least 75% new material, it can be considered a new musical in awards. So that may be where Half a Sixpence got in?
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Post by kathryn on Feb 20, 2017 10:32:46 GMT
I'm also not sure if non-theatre fans loved Groundhog Day as much as this board does but admittedly I'm just basing this off the fact that when I went to see it no one stood up to clap which is a rarity these days. I have heard a professional film critic (Chris Hewitt on the Empire Podcast) describe it as the best thing in any medium he saw last year. But then I guess he doesn't pay much attention to the WOS awards.
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Post by jgblunners on Feb 20, 2017 10:47:52 GMT
I don't have any problem with Half a Sixpence being classified as a new musical - given that there's more new material than old in the show, I think it would be a bit of an insult to Stiles and Drewe if it was considered a revival! I am also shocked at School of Rock winning, though. I haven't seen the show, but Dreamgirls, Half a Sixpence and Groundhog Day (which had my vote) were so sensational that I was convinced it was going to be a close competition between those three and SoR wouldn't stand a chance! Maybe I'll be even more blown away by School of Rock but somehow I doubt it.
Without wishing to stoke the fire on the legitimacy of these awards, I also find it very telling that Carrie Hope Fletcher was nominated for best supporting actress for a limited run in a touring production - I believe all the other leading/supporting nominations for both plays and musicals were for West End or Off-West End productions? I have no doubt that she was very good, but I think it's probably quite clear that she got the nomination because she has such a large and dedicated fanbase.
EDIT: scratch that, Ian Hallard was nominated for Boys in the Band which didn't make it to the West End until after nominations closed, and I don't think the Park Theatre counts as Off-West End. Pixie Lott also got nominated for Breakfast at Tiffany's which was a tour, although it did do a run in the West End. My point still stands for the musical actor/actress categories though.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Feb 20, 2017 15:25:39 GMT
I've just seen the Mischief Comedy ad in the WOS Programme - image of Comedy About A Bank Robbery at the top of the page, image of the Play That Goes Wrong at the bottom of the page, with a line of type through the middle "WE SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT WE ARE UP TO NO GOOD". Snorted out loud and office now know I'm not really working...
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