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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 9, 2016 18:48:32 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if it's not decided between these two in an election. You can quote yourself all you like, I didn't understand what you meant the first time
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Post by Michael on Oct 13, 2016 2:32:49 GMT
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 13, 2016 10:21:56 GMT
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Post by whygodwhytoday on Oct 13, 2016 10:42:43 GMT
Hasn't Hillary been lining her pockets too though? "The Hillary Clinton net worth total of $31.3 million comes from analyzing her Public Financial Disclosure Reports. Bill Clinton has an estimated net worth of $80 million. That gives a combined Bill and Hillary Clinton net worth of $111 million dollars." XXX
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 11:25:52 GMT
Honestly I don't give a rat's ass if Hillary is flawed AF, she's got decades of experience and you could trust her to have a conversation with a foreign leader without bringing on the apocalypse. I love the sweet idea that we should always be able to vote for the best candidate in politics, but the reality is that we're only ever voting for the least worst, and Hillary is at least not a flaming manure truck of sexual assault and flagrant racism.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 13, 2016 11:31:08 GMT
Honestly I don't give a rat's ass if Hillary is flawed AF, she's got decades of experience and you could trust her to have a conversation with a foreign leader without bringing on the apocalypse. I love the sweet idea that we should always be able to vote for the best candidate in politics, but the reality is that we're only ever voting for the least worst, and Hillary is at least not a flaming manure truck of sexual assault and flagrant racism. <-- What Baemax said x 100 Dear God - I really don't get involved in UK politics, but this US President business really has got to me. I've got a lot of female US friends on facebook who gloat about not watching the debates because Dancing With The Stars is on. Another lot of female friends are very vocally against Trump and some of their fb friends give their reasons for voting Trump - one of which, and I kid you not - " I don't know about his politics but I've read Hillary is crooked and I liked (Trump) on The Apprentice".
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Post by whygodwhytoday on Oct 13, 2016 14:10:32 GMT
Honestly I don't give a rat's ass if Hillary is flawed AF, she's got decades of experience and you could trust her to have a conversation with a foreign leader without bringing on the apocalypse. I love the sweet idea that we should always be able to vote for the best candidate in politics, but the reality is that we're only ever voting for the least worst, and Hillary is at least not a flaming manure truck of sexual assault and flagrant racism. <-- What Baemax said x 100 Dear God - I really don't get involved in UK politics, but this US President business really has got to me. I've got a lot of female US friends on facebook who gloat about not watching the debates because Dancing With The Stars is on. Another lot of female friends are very vocally against Trump and some of their fb friends give their reasons for voting Trump - one of which, and I kid you not - " I don't know about his politics but I've read Hillary is crooked and I liked (Trump) on The Apprentice". I've encourtered the such as well! Then again I've I'm sure we've all seen the generic "I'm voting for Hillary because she is a woman" too... XXX
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 15:03:34 GMT
I've actually never seen anyone say they're voting for Hillary solely because she's a woman, just a lot of people claiming that that's why people are voting for her. I doubt there's much of an overlap between those voting Hillary and those that would have voted for Sarah Palin.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 13, 2016 15:42:47 GMT
Honestly I don't give a rat's ass if Hillary is flawed AF, she's got decades of experience and you could trust her to have a conversation with a foreign leader without bringing on the apocalypse. I love the sweet idea that we should always be able to vote for the best candidate in politics, but the reality is that we're only ever voting for the least worst, and Hillary is at least not a flaming manure truck of sexual assault and flagrant racism. <-- What Baemax said x 100 'Another lot of female friends are very vocally against Trump and some of their fb friends give their reasons for voting' Is 'fb' f*** buddy?
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 13, 2016 18:45:55 GMT
Dunno if the term f*** buddy belongs on this thread ....
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 13, 2016 20:40:16 GMT
Last 48 hours has proved when it comes to Trump, there is no limited.
Remember what his friend Nige who saved the UK single handedly, 'he's a silverback gorilla'.
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Post by anita on Oct 14, 2016 13:04:04 GMT
They are both awful. My son who lives over there but hasn't got a vote wanted Bernie Sanger.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 15, 2016 18:16:12 GMT
A couple of weeks ago I begrudgingly said that Trump has it in the bag, but as Harold Wilson astutely said "a week is a long time in politics', who would have thought that Trump is a scumbag that sexually molests women and has peodphilic thoughts?
So congratulations America, you have your first female president, followed by the second judging lady by that speech Michelle gave.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 1:55:29 GMT
What an interesting read this thread is, very fascinating to see how the mainstream media has instilled a kind of default hatred towards Trump, and Hillary as a saviour. I hope she gets what's coming to her, and I don't mean the presidency; I think once the Clinton Foundation is cracked open, they follow the money and see the extent of what's been going on it'll be a scandal like no other.
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Post by 49thand8th on Oct 18, 2016 2:36:55 GMT
They are both awful. My son who lives over there but hasn't got a vote wanted Bernie Sanger. Who? What an interesting read this thread is, very fascinating to see how the mainstream media has instilled a kind of default hatred towards Trump, and Hillary as a saviour. I hope she gets what's coming to her, and I don't mean the presidency; I think once the Clinton Foundation is cracked open, they follow the money and see the extent of what's been going on it'll be a scandal like no other. Wow. You're a real person who said that. Okay! Oh yeah, I said I was gonna not coming back to this thread, but I was popping in to look for any mention of Broadway for Hillary, but I guess not!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 2:39:41 GMT
Default hatred towards Trump? Because it's not like he has said so many things that make him worthy of hatred, we just hate him because the media tell us to?
I'm more fascinated that others are fascinated that a message board dedicated to theatre would have a view that's pro-Hillary and anti-Trump or to put it more simply pro-Democrat and anti-Republican. As we speak, there is an event in New York - Broadway for Hillary - happening featuring a large number of theatre stars, composers etc. speaking, performing and fundraising for Hillary. Maybe you can imagine the same happening for Trump but I can't. Know your audience. People are free to gather their own information on the candidates and there are plenty of places online where people will find pro-Trump and anti-Hillary views (of course I'm sure you don't believe that THESE people have been brainwashed by the media). But a website for people that are interested in theatre, people that almost always have liberal views, is not likely to be that place.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 18, 2016 7:30:50 GMT
What an interesting read this thread is, very fascinating to see how the mainstream media has instilled a kind of default hatred towards Trump, and Hillary as a saviour. I hope she gets what's coming to her, and I don't mean the presidency; I think once the Clinton Foundation is cracked open, they follow the money and see the extent of what's been going on it'll be a scandal like no other. Giving the going over it's already had and the release of all her speeches by wikileaks and they still haven't found anything particularly objectionable I doubt that somehow. I don't need the media to tell me dislike Trump - you just need to read and watch his own speeches. This is a man who's actually encouraging his supporters to intimidate opposing voters on election day - there are apparently no depths he won't stoop to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 7:40:56 GMT
I don't hate Trump. Hate is an extraordinarily strong word and it's not my overriding emotion. I fear Trump. Not as a person or a bogeyman, but the idea of his being the de facto most powerful man in the world is genuinely terrifying. The best case scenario for a Trump presidency is a quick impeachment. The worst case scenario is that he hits the button and bombs us all before anything gets that far. YOU MAY NOT THINK HILLARY IS A GOOD CHOICE BUT THIS IS REAL LIFE POLITICS WHERE THERE SO OFTEN IS NO GOOD CHOICE ONLY A LESS WORSE CHOICE.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 18, 2016 12:09:28 GMT
What an interesting read this thread is, very fascinating to see how the mainstream media has instilled a kind of default hatred towards Trump, and Hillary as a saviour. I hope she gets what's coming to her, and I don't mean the presidency; I think once the Clinton Foundation is cracked open, they follow the money and see the extent of what's been going on it'll be a scandal like no other. Giving the going over it's already had and the release of all her speeches by wikileaks and they still haven't found anything particularly objectionable I doubt that somehow. I don't need the media to tell me dislike Trump - you just need to read and watch his own speeches. This is a man who's actually encouraging his supporters to intimidate opposing voters on election day - there are apparently no depths he won't stoop to. Well, he's already suggested that his supporters shoot his opponent and has said that he'll throw her in jail if he wins, so really voter intimidation shouldn't be a surprise. Trump doesn't want to be President - he wants to be a dictator.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 12:50:57 GMT
"The Second Amendment protects an individual right that existed before the creation of any government", the second amendment protects it's citizenry from a government that would seek to strip it of its rights and freedoms- so by Trump saying "If she gets to pick her judges ― nothing you can do, folks... Although, the Second Amendment people. Maybe there is. I don’t know." about Hillary using her executive order to eliminate the second amendment He's highlighting that... if peoples rights are stripped then the second amendment allows them to bear the arms to fight back if necessary. And Hillary should be investigated, in fact yesterday the House Oversight Committee announced that it will be furthering the investigation into Hillary's irresponsibility over her e-mail server (https://oversight.house.gov/release/chaffetz-nunes-statement-new-fbi-files-clinton-investigation/) I know people are getting sick of the "e-mail thing" but they seem to be concentrating on why it's bad that it was hacked rather than looking into the content of the revelations that have come about since- the mainstream media is only talking about alleged sexual allegations against Trump by members of the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Supporters instead of the real news and real facts. Hillary's regime would conspire to create an 'unaware and compliant citizenry" (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599#efmARKAWn) And even Jonathan Gruber, the architect of Obamacare, admitted that "lack of transparency is a huge political advantage, and basically, you know- call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever but that was really critical in getting the thing to pass" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA5XIzIdb5s) The democrats seem to want to keep the minions in their place, Americans are citizens, not subjects- and every time I look into Clinton I see a surprising move towards some kind of... as I saw above... dictatorship. I'd be much more worried about Hillary being a war-monger than Trump- people think he's going to get into the oval office and press the "launch button" What utter crap. People think Trump's "basket of deplorables" are bad, when really what the Clinton machine is doing is far worse...
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Post by kathryn on Oct 18, 2016 13:49:27 GMT
See, this is the Trump strategy. Throw out so much bullsh*t that it's impossible to keep up with debunking it, while making the most outrageous statements to his supporters, and then act like the bullsh*t and his statements are somehow equivalent.
There's only so many times you can investigate someone for the same actions and come up with nothing of substance before people realise the investigations are politically motivated. Of course, when you're a dictator it doesn't matter if there's something to find or not - you can decide to throw someone in jail before you find any evidence, which is what Trump said he'd do to Clinton.
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Post by whygodwhytoday on Oct 18, 2016 15:12:53 GMT
I don't hate Trump. Hate is an extraordinarily strong word and it's not my overriding emotion. I fear Trump. Not as a person or a bogeyman, but the idea of his being the de facto most powerful man in the world is genuinely terrifying. The best case scenario for a Trump presidency is a quick impeachment. The worst case scenario is that he hits the button and bombs us all before anything gets that far. YOU MAY NOT THINK HILLARY IS A GOOD CHOICE BUT THIS IS REAL LIFE POLITICS WHERE THERE SO OFTEN IS NO GOOD CHOICE ONLY A LESS WORSE CHOICE. I don't fear Trump. Congress/Establishment loathe him so will do everything in their power to put a harness on him. Although his campaigning has been 100x more active than Hillary's, I expect he'll do surprisingly little if he gets in. Most of the republican party are apathetic towards him, and if he wins he will quickly realise how untrained and inexperienced he is - exactly like the period of reflection after Brexit ("sh*t. What are we going to do now we've actually won!") - leaving him with little option but to fall back on as many political advisors as possible. He doesn't have a huge plan for America, because he wouldn't know where to start, even if he wanted to have one. The best case scenario is Trump turns out to be Mr. Lazy, and the establishment focuses on minor internal problems, instead of the foreign policy bloodbath Hillary is offering. Then again, I struggle to think where America has ever gone right with foreign policy... (well...)
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Post by lynette on Oct 18, 2016 17:39:00 GMT
In the US it takes very strong leadership to get the foreign policy right and let's face it, hindsight is easy. But don't forget WW1 and WW11 when, whether you like it or not, the US made a major contribution to defeating what needed to be defeated at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 9:01:24 GMT
World War 11?!?!?! Blimey, you'd think we'd have stopped after 2!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 18:28:52 GMT
who would have thought that Trump is a scumbag that sexually molests women and has peodphilic thoughts? I don't understand this "girl of ten" talk from earlier in this thread. Trump said a throw away comment, making small with the parent/guardian of a ten year old girl "I'll be dating her in ten years" so that would make the girl 20 by that time... I didn't realise paedophilia had been extended to include 20 year olds now. I dread to think what a leaked tape of Bill Clinton aboard paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein's "lolita express" plane would have sounded like, he was on that twenty-something times... and this is the man Hillary wants to bring back into the white house, where he abused his position, and women, in the 90's... invigorate the economy.... sure
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:00:52 GMT
You must be joking...
When that tape was filmed, Trump was 46 years old, making him 56 when the girl was 20. A small age difference is fine but dating someone 36 years younger than you IS creepy. And even if it wasn't, that doesn't matter, because he is looking at a pre-pubescent girl as a sexual and romantic prospect. When you see a 10-year-old you shouldn't be thinking about how attractive they will be in 10 years, you should be looking at them as a child, a completely non-sexual view.
Once again, Bill Clinton is not running for president.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:15:21 GMT
Any sexual connotation in that quote comes from the mind of the person interpreting it that way... Dating doesn't mean sex... Trump was just being nice by interacting with another human being, Hillary would need a team just to write such an interaction, telling her just the right moment to smile
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:17:05 GMT
Except dating DOES include sex for the vast majority of people (and certainly for Trump if his own words are to be believed) and it also includes attraction. You trying to justify this is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:36:31 GMT
Sorry, I guess I should play it safe and join the movement against Trump to fit in with the status quo... Wouldn't want to go against the grain or step on any toes now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:59:22 GMT
Support who you want dude. But as someone that was once a 10-year-old girl and had to deal with inappropriate comments from older men around that age, I'd just rather you didn't try and justify it. It's disgusting and made me (and I'm sure that girl) feel very uncomfortable.
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