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Post by ellie1981 on Jul 23, 2018 9:47:07 GMT
What are your kids doing seeing Heathers to begin with? I’d have given the show a solid 15 rating (ahem, despite the fact that I was watching the 18 rated film obsessively from the age of 12, so call me a hypocrite if need be).
This drama strikes me as immaturity on both sides. A mother should not be setting this as an example to her kids by trolling a performer online. I echo the opinion that due to the setup of the theatre not having a stage door, CHF should have also had the foresight to go and socialise with her friends elsewhere instead of in plain view of people who would have liked to have met her.
Were the responses to the woman posted publicly? Either way it’s a little unprofessional and provocative. Let’s hope they live and learn.
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Post by ellie1981 on Jul 23, 2018 9:50:59 GMT
On the wider issue of younger kids being taken to the stage door and then being upset/disappointed, you have to put the blame fair and square with the parents for setting that expectation in the first place. “Darling were going to see xxxxxx in xxxxxxx and afterwards were going to MEET HER!” And if the blame is being put on twitter them I’m afraid I think twitter should be for over 18s only, as should Facebook, Instagram and all other sites which contain questionable content. I wonder if this is just another example of how *some* parents overindulge their children to the point where nothing is ever refused. Like in The Devil Wears Prada where the two little monsters are promised first sight of the new Harry Potter and must have it at any cost. I’m afraid the word “no” was very common in my youth, in fact it tripped off the tongues of my parents with predictable regularity and as a result I have not grown up with the huge sense of entitlement that *some* younger people seem to have these days. This reminds me of that incident on the US X-Factor where they let younger children enter. Don’t hate me for laughing. It’s just the cries of “Mommy, you promised” that get me.
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Post by Xanderl on Jul 23, 2018 11:01:28 GMT
Sorry to interrupt but... Although strictly speaking this is a 'stage door drama', we now seem to have turned this thread into the 'Carrie Hope Fletcher drama' (22 consecutive posts on her above). She does have quite a lengthy thread dedicated to her alone over in the Performers and Creative section where most posts are about ...her stage door dramas. Just saying.
My daughter and her friends have been waiting in the Carrie Hope Fletcher thread all weekend to discuss this. only to find Carrie is being discussed in the Stage Door Dramas thread!
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Post by sophie92 on Jul 23, 2018 11:53:40 GMT
What are your kids doing seeing Heathers to begin with? I’d have given the show a solid 15 rating (ahem, despite the fact that I was watching the 18 rated film obsessively from the age of 12, so call me a hypocrite if need be). I don’t think the children are as young as the mother’s tweets seem to suggest. When the drama was happening on Twitter she posted a photo of who I assume to be her daughters, with a couple of members of the Hamilton cast (with a veiled dig at Carrie, about them being so nice to make the time for their fans) and they looked to be teenaged. They looked old enough for one to assume they would have the maturity to deal with not being able to meet their “idol”. Anyway, in this situation, I don’t think Carrie is wrong, but I really don’t think she dealt with it very well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 11:59:24 GMT
The children were obviously accompanied so couldn't wait on their own but I don't think anyone comes out with great credit. But CHF has her fan base so if she annoys a few does it really bother her when it is thousands strong.
Would Producers worry about casting her due to her fanbase I doubt it, if they are looking at bottom line then they would see however many Social Media followers and think well get some of them in and we'll make money.
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Post by The Matthew on Jul 23, 2018 12:02:30 GMT
I love the "You've lost a fan" response. It reminds me of the difficult customers in restaurants who storm out with "I'm never coming here again". It isn't the threat they imagine it to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:22:04 GMT
I love the "You've lost a fan" response. It reminds me of the difficult customers in restaurants who storm out with "I'm never coming here again". It isn't the threat they imagine it to be. Working in a hotel, I get that a lot from difficult customers. I'm tempted to answer "thank God for that" most of the times but my boss won't let me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 13:02:04 GMT
I love the "You've lost a fan" response. It reminds me of the difficult customers in restaurants who storm out with "I'm never coming here again". It isn't the threat they imagine it to be. Not only did Carrie lose THREE fans that night, but I also loved the wistful 'what happened to you?' comment as well. Seriously, it makes one wonder who is the child in that family. Although the underlining of the word 'tonight' annoyed me a little. I think she'd have made more impact had she underlined 'three' instead. " Three fans lost tonight Carrie . . . " I think it's got more oomph. If I were Carrie, I'd have laughed at her across the bar while sipping my Negroni too.
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Post by anita on Jul 23, 2018 13:17:04 GMT
I love the "You've lost a fan" response. It reminds me of the difficult customers in restaurants who storm out with "I'm never coming here again". It isn't the threat they imagine it to be. Working in a hotel, I get that a lot from difficult customers. I'm tempted to answer "thank God for that" most of the times but my boss won't let me. The best reply to awful customers [learnt from working in a shoe shop] is "Have a nice day" with a cheery smile.- It gets them every time!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 14:05:35 GMT
Losing 3 fans reminds me of the joke by the late great Eric Morecambe when Des O'Connor said he got his entire audience to pray for Eric after he'd had a heart attack and Eric said "Those 7 people made all the difference".
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 23, 2018 16:28:50 GMT
This reminds me of that incident on the US X-Factor where they let younger children enter. Don’t hate me for laughing. It’s just the cries of “Mommy, you promised” that get me. See how fast Cowell was up on that stage? Amazing how the prospect of litigation can increase ones reaction time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 19:09:35 GMT
If I can recall correctly, the situation with Rachel Crow on The X Factor USA was actually that her family were living in poverty, and the mother’s promise was that things would get better for them after the show.
Back to the topic, should this thread be renamed the Carrie Hope Fletcher stage door thread?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 23, 2018 19:28:45 GMT
No need. Just talk about something other than CHF.
Talk about CHF in the Performers section.
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Post by wickedgrin on Jul 24, 2018 10:29:53 GMT
No need. Just talk about something other than CHF. Talk about CHF in the Performers section. With huge respect to burlybear who is after all an esteemed member of our Admin Team (and may ban me/lock me in a basement/tie me up and gag me and I may never be seen or heard of again after this post), we are discussing stage door dramas of which the latest one surrounds a certain CHF. No doubt the discussion will move on from her when another drama surfaces. It is difficult to talk of stage door dramas without mentioning the actors involved in said "drama". We are not discussing her performance skills. But I know to go "off topic" is a heinous crime and will be punished.....so which way to the dungeon? To other board members - if I am never heard of again burlybear has me locked up and on the rack!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 24, 2018 11:01:27 GMT
No need. Just talk about something other than CHF. Talk about CHF in the Performers section. With huge respect to burlybear who is after all an esteemed member of our Admin Team (and may ban me/lock me in a basement/tie me up and gag me and I may never be seen or heard of again after this post), we are discussing stage door dramas of which the latest one surrounds a certain CHF. No doubt the discussion will move on from her when another drama surfaces. It is difficult to talk of stage door dramas without mentioning the actors involved in said "drama". We are not discussing her performance skills. But I know to go "off topic" is a heinous crime and will be punished.....so which way to the dungeon? To other board members - if I am never heard of again burlybear has me locked up and on the rack! I would never lock you up wickedgrin ! What I was trying to say (badly it seems) was that if anyone is bored with CHF’s drama then just move things along to another subject. But that doesn’t stop anyone discussing Carrie’s many stage door dramas here as much as they like. The other Carrie thread is for other Carrie stuff.
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Post by wickedgrin on Jul 26, 2018 21:30:46 GMT
Just appeared on the "Heathers" page of the londontheatredirect.com ticket agency website: "Please note that the producers cannot guarantee the appearance of a particular cast member at any specific performance, or after a performance for autographs. No refunds or exchanges will be offered as a result of a cast member’s unavailability to perform at any performance." I suppose this refers to she who can't be named?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 23:14:09 GMT
I've been looking at the location feed for The Other Palace on Instagram, and most stage door photos (CHF, Jodie, Jamie, T'Shan etc.) as of about three days ago seem to have been taken outside the building, on the street where the theatre is. Have TOP taken down the "book signing" table in the foyer?
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Post by basi1faw1ty on Jul 28, 2018 18:22:33 GMT
OK, right, this Carrie person. I've seen her come up numerous times and still I've never heard of her. Ever. What does she do? Why is she a famous? Me no comprende.
Do I want to know why? Not really. But I love a good gos and want to know why she's always talked about when it comes to stage door.
Will I likely not make it out alive if I dive into the CHF thread(s)?
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Post by Baemax on Jul 28, 2018 18:31:15 GMT
I hate to state the obvious, but the reason Carrie Hope Fletcher is often spoken about on a theatre discussion board (and rarely anywhere else) is because she is a theatre actress. By all means dive into the thread if you want to know more about her drama and nonsense, but that is the most basic state of it right there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 19:25:01 GMT
OK, right, this Carrie person. I've seen her come up numerous times and still I've never heard of her. Ever. What does she do? Why is she a famous? Me no comprende. Do I want to know why? Not really. But I love a good gos and want to know why she's always talked about when it comes to stage door. Will I likely not make it out alive if I dive into the CHF thread(s)? Actress. Author. YouTuber. She has a lot of teenage girls in her following.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 28, 2018 19:35:28 GMT
OK, right, this Carrie person. I've seen her come up numerous times and still I've never heard of her. Ever. What does she do? Why is she a famous? Me no comprende. Do I want to know why? Not really. But I love a good gos and want to know why she's always talked about when it comes to stage door. Will I likely not make it out alive if I dive into the CHF thread(s)? She goes on about “Stage Door” a LOT. Go to youtube and search ‘Carrie Hope Fletcher Stage Door’ for the full gamut. In the meantime here’s her most popular one. Interesting how whilst telling us she’s not going to be at ‘stage door’ every night she adds in a caption to say “but I AM there most of the time and it’s wonderful!” Its like that stray dog who starts following you when you’re a kid. You encourage it, then when it won’t go away you hate it and try and make it go away. Then when it does go away you want it back again because you miss it wanting you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 20:18:18 GMT
OK, right, this Carrie person. I've seen her come up numerous times and still I've never heard of her. Ever. What does she do? Why is she a famous? Me no comprende. Do I want to know why? Not really. But I love a good gos and want to know why she's always talked about when it comes to stage door. Will I likely not make it out alive if I dive into the CHF thread(s)? Google is your friend. She's a pretty successful young musical theatre actress really. As much as people are keen to criticise her (and it is fun sometimes because she really doesn't help herself on occasions) but it doesn't detract from the fact that she's put in the work so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 1:30:24 GMT
The problem with CHF imo is stage doors at her show turn into teen book signings or are infested with pushy parents who get angry at her using another door to exit the building.
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Post by ellie1981 on Jul 29, 2018 7:34:30 GMT
OK, right, this Carrie person. I've seen her come up numerous times and still I've never heard of her. Ever. What does she do? Why is she a famous? Me no comprende. Do I want to know why? Not really. But I love a good gos and want to know why she's always talked about when it comes to stage door. Will I likely not make it out alive if I dive into the CHF thread(s)? Google is your friend. She's a pretty successful young musical theatre actress really. As much as people are keen to criticise her (and it is fun sometimes because she really doesn't help herself on occasions) but it doesn't detract from the fact that she's put in the work so far. I’sve done a bit of Googling. Her YouTube channel doesn’t seem all that successful to others I’ve seen (when looking at number of subscribers and views), so I’m still baffled.
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Post by talkstageytome on Jul 29, 2018 7:51:09 GMT
Well... for a vlog channel I think it kind of is. Plus she's part of the slew of early(ish) youtubers on the scene (2011 I believe) who made it big and all seem to be interconnected so she's a known face to most people who follow the big UK youtubers (I used a little bit when I was a tween, about 6 or 7 years ago).
Oh, and she's also the sister of McFly member Tom Fletcher.
Her content is attractive to young people in particular, and is all quite personal and relatable, which has the double effect of being a great way to endear herself to her young fan base, but also leads to people thinking that she is their best friend - hence the massive hubbub about fans feeling like they have a right to meet her, I guess.
She's also an author of YA fiction, and a successful young musical theatre actor, having appeared in the West End as a child and returning a few years ago.
Like it or not, she's a talented singer and it takes a lot to carve a successful online persona for yourself, so I'd say for a 25 year old she's doing quite well.
I wouldn't really describe myself as a dedicated CHF *fan* and I'm not about to wade into the stage door chatter, but I don't think it's right to be so flippant about her achievements.
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Post by robertb213 on Jul 29, 2018 8:38:00 GMT
She's undeniably talented and I really enjoy watching her perform. She just has an unfortunate knack of being a bit of a drama magnet, some of which just happens unfairly to her and some which happens because she doesn't always handle things in the best way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 8:59:17 GMT
OK, right, this Carrie person. I've seen her come up numerous times and still I've never heard of her. Ever. What does she do? Why is she a famous? Me no comprende. Do I want to know why? Not really. But I love a good gos and want to know why she's always talked about when it comes to stage door. Will I likely not make it out alive if I dive into the CHF thread(s)? She goes on about “Stage Door” a LOT. Go to youtube and search ‘Carrie Hope Fletcher Stage Door’ for the full gamut. In the meantime here’s her most popular one. Interesting how whilst telling us she’s not going to be at ‘stage door’ every night she adds in a caption to say “but I AM there most of the time and it’s wonderful!” Its like that stray dog who starts following you when you’re a kid. You encourage it, then when it won’t go away you hate it and try and make it go away. Then when it does go away you want it back again because you miss it wanting you. Your analogy about the stray dog is spot on. I don’t think this video is going to help her at all. Will it persuade obsessive fans to calm down? No way. She said it herself - her very success is dependent upon the devotion she is able to elicit from hyper-emotional teens using her books, shows and other merchandise to create the illusion of intimacy. I don’t agree with her that backstage is just a staff exit/entrance. It is the point where fantasy crosses over into reality and fans get the opportunity to rub shoulders with someone who is in some cases as important to them as a member of their family. I have never been a proper fan of anyone’s but as I get older I do understand the role a star can play in the life of a lonely or misunderstood teen (or adult) Also, Theatres have security front of house and perhaps they should also be located backstage.
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Post by Stephen on Jul 29, 2018 9:02:20 GMT
It seems crazy if there isn't security especially given the problems she's had. Even at The King and I where there isn't a massive crowd and no crazies, there is stage door security!
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Post by Roxie on Jul 29, 2018 9:55:30 GMT
On my very first theatre experience when I was 3, my Dad had some sort of special access through work so we were taken backstage after the show and although I was very young it stuck with me! When I was 5 my mum took me to see Matilda at the local theatre and I had my book signed by everyone in the cast. I’ve always stage doored. However, I’ve always been polite, respectful and thankful. There are quite a few people who seem to think that their ticket includes a meet and greet and that they are ENTITLED to meet the stars. This has never been the case and I think CHF was just trying to clear this up. Actors are on their own time when the curtain comes down and are free to do as they please. My stage door experiences have always been positive. I stage door Linzi H whenever I see a show she’s in (I check with her first that it’s convenient for me to do so) and I’m always thankful for her time cos it’s HER TIME and she owes me nothing. Buying a ticket for a show is for the show. End of. Be nice humans and treat people with kindness and understanding and you get much more positive results. There have been occasions where I’ve bene to stage door and not seen the person I wanted to, but you shrug it off and move on with life cos it’s not that important really! I’m a huge fan of David Tennant and I went to see a matinee of a play he was in and afterwards someone came out and said he was staying in the theatre. I was a bit dissapointed but I thought it fair enough - he probably wanted to relax between shows. I think some of the criticism of Carrie on here is a little unfair (a lot of u lot seem to really dislike her!) she obviously has quite the enthusiastic following and doesn’t always have the time to spend 45 mins a night at stage door. And why should she? That person who sent her a message on Twitter, calling her out for it was in the wrong. Yes CHF could have just ignored it but again - why should she? It’s obviously something that upsets her and she has every right to call out unacceptable behaviour. And finding someone’s private Facebook account to further harass them is unacceptable.
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Post by d'James on Jul 29, 2018 10:52:44 GMT
I don’t think anyone’s said anything to disagree with that.
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