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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 13:16:04 GMT
What was the short film they showed before curtain last night? Those of us who were in the theatre were told the cinema audiences were watching something so the start would be a bit late, but not what it was! There was a little interview with Marianne and Kushner and a bit of generic behind the scenes footage.
I like the Part 2 trailer at the very end too. Hope they put that up online this week.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 13, 2017 15:10:28 GMT
Does any of the NT live stuff end up on DVD?
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Post by theatremadness on Aug 13, 2017 15:25:09 GMT
Does any of the NT live stuff end up on DVD? To my knowledge, no NT Live screening has ever been released on DVD. There was once a statement regarding Frankenstein saying that a DVD release was "not the wish of the artists involved". Don't know whether this is the case for all NT Live's, or whether there is some sort of rights/money issue that gets in the way of a DVD release. There are, however, ways to see NT Live performances post-cinema screening if you know where to look.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 13, 2017 16:08:13 GMT
if you know where to look. Do you mean NT live encore (in cinemas) or is there somewhere else? Btw, wasn't there something about productions being available to screen to schools, or was that something else? I seem to remember some controversy with people saying it might make it even more difficult to get schools to take kids out to experience live theatre.
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Post by theatremadness on Aug 13, 2017 16:15:52 GMT
if you know where to look. Do you mean NT live encore (in cinemas) or is there somewhere else? Btw, wasn't there something about productions being available to screen to schools, or was that something else? I seem to remember some controversy with people saying it might make it even more difficult to get schools to take kids out to experience live theatre. Ah no, not encore screenings. The internet has some questionable nooks and crannies! Separate to that, yes indeed there is an "On demand" service for schools: schools.nationaltheatre.org.uk/app/os#!/home There's only a total of 7 productions (that aren't on anymore) available across Key Stage 2/3 and above, for educational purposes (Captain Obvious reporting for duty), so in my opinion, I don't see why it would detract from schools taking kids to the theatre. But I could be wrong!
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Post by crowblack on Aug 13, 2017 16:31:25 GMT
I don't see why it would detract from schools taking kids to the theatre I think the feeling was that it might give schools an excuse not to bother in an age of tight timetables and logistical difficulties (so saying, my young niece had a school trip to China - all we got was Styal Mill and the local nature reserve!). In my case, seeing clips of current productions in arts programmes on the TV (back when such things existed) got me out to the theatre but I was considered weird.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 13, 2017 17:00:30 GMT
At least one of the exam boards now allow students to write about productions seen via cinema or streaming. Useful for those in rural areas but, in the end, they will quitebpossible decide to write about the directorial choices of the film director rather than the stage one, so fraught with problems.
Also, I believe the cinema broadcasts are from unencrypted feeds, so if you have one of the satellite TV setups that looks like a mini Jodrell Bank, you can intercept the broadcast.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 13, 2017 17:55:40 GMT
if you have one of the satellite TV setups that looks like a mini Jodrell Bank Alas, I'm only just learning my way around an iphone. Btw, I'm not going, but was wondering whether they'll have the glass walls for the NT Live broadcast (might reflections be an issue?). Btw, if they can do a traverse-staged play like Yerma, I don't see why they can't do Mosquitoes, given the demand for tickets - they live broadcast Salome and that got very poor reviews.
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Post by Marwood on Aug 13, 2017 18:21:44 GMT
Does any of the NT live stuff end up on DVD? To my knowledge, no NT Live screening has ever been released on DVD. There was once a statement regarding Frankenstein saying that a DVD release was "not the wish of the artists involved". Don't know whether this is the case for all NT Live's, or whether there is some sort of rights/money issue that gets in the way of a DVD release. There are, however, ways to see NT Live performances post-cinema screening if you know where to look. I met Danny Boyle round about the time Trance was released and he said he was sort of interested in filming Frankenstein but that was a while back and he's obviously not done anything about it ( he also mentioned he was interested in producing something by Shakespeare for the stage, and again nothing has happened-yet)
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Post by theatremadness on Aug 13, 2017 18:27:35 GMT
To my knowledge, no NT Live screening has ever been released on DVD. There was once a statement regarding Frankenstein saying that a DVD release was "not the wish of the artists involved". Don't know whether this is the case for all NT Live's, or whether there is some sort of rights/money issue that gets in the way of a DVD release. There are, however, ways to see NT Live performances post-cinema screening if you know where to look. I met Danny Boyle round about the time Trance was released and he said he was sort of interested in filming Frankenstein but that was a while back and he's obviously not done anything about it ( he also mentioned he was interested in producing something by Shakespeare for the stage, and again nothing has happened-yet) Ah do you mean turning the stage play into a film? That definitely could've halted proceedings - but I just don't think NT are into releasing their broadcasts on DVD. If rights aren't an issue, I think the demand is probably nowhere near high enough outside big theatre fans to justify the cost. Maybe one day! I think the demand for Frankenstein to get a DVD release was probably purely Cumberbatch fans.
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Post by Marwood on Aug 13, 2017 18:54:47 GMT
He said he wouldn't know who would play which role if they made a proper film, so maybe that has something to do with the lack of progress making a film.
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Post by lou105 on Aug 13, 2017 19:17:40 GMT
Does any of the NT live stuff end up on DVD? There was once a statement regarding Frankenstein saying that a DVD release was "not the wish of the artists involved". Don't know whether this is the case for all NT Live's, or whether there is some sort of rights/money issue that gets in the way of a DVD release. I think I posted once ages ago about a Frankenstein Q and A I was at. Both of the lead actors were cringing somewhat at being shown clips of their performances. I don't think it was just faux modesty- they were commenting that Danny Boyle, as a film director, would have directed Frankenstein differently for that medium, and therefore the filmed stage version jarred with them. This was admittedly a very early NT Live, but it was interesting to hear the actors' comments.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 15, 2017 20:07:24 GMT
I think from past conversations on here it was thought/known that the productions they are going to screen are decided to advance and announced so they couldn't just be dropped due to poor reviews. Yes, though Mosquitoes with Colman in the lead was announced back in 2016 so it was always going to be popular regardless of the reviews: it sold out in minutes and from the off tickets were restricted to two each so it does seem to be an obvious candidate for NT Live, unless they are thinking of a possible transfer like The Ferryman. The Ferryman looks like it was written with a West End transfer and Broadway in mind from the start, though.
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Post by Jon on Aug 15, 2017 21:13:53 GMT
Yes, though Mosquitoes with Colman in the lead was announced back in 2016 so it was always going to be popular regardless of the reviews: it sold out in minutes and from the off tickets were restricted to two each so it does seem to be an obvious candidate for NT Live, unless they are thinking of a possible transfer like The Ferryman. The Ferryman looks like it was written with a West End transfer and Broadway in mind from the start, though. The Ferryman was commisioned by Sonia Friedman but Jez Butterworth wanted it to go to the Royal Court first.
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Post by peggs on Aug 15, 2017 21:31:52 GMT
I think from past conversations on here it was thought/known that the productions they are going to screen are decided to advance and announced so they couldn't just be dropped due to poor reviews. Yes, though Mosquitoes with Colman in the lead was announced back in 2016 so it was always going to be popular regardless of the reviews: it sold out in minutes and from the off tickets were restricted to two each so it does seem to be an obvious candidate for NT Live, unless they are thinking of a possible transfer like The Ferryman. The Ferryman looks like it was written with a West End transfer and Broadway in mind from the start, though. Well yes but you've only quoted part of my post which was in response to why productions like Salome which reviewed badly were still screened. Maybe Olivia Coleman didn't want to do it, maybe they didn't think it would transfer to screen well, I don't think popularity is their only marker for their decisions though yes it must be a consideration.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 15, 2017 21:48:43 GMT
Maybe Olivia Coleman didn't want to do it, maybe they didn't think it would transfer to screen well The lead actresses/actors are all great on TV / film so if anything I'd have thought they'd be better on TV than many stage actors who really don't have the faces or acting style for it. I know many people who aren't usually NT Live / theatregoing types who want to see it but can't. I didn't hear anyone say 'ooh, Salome, can't wait to see that...'.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Aug 15, 2017 22:02:45 GMT
The purpose of NT Live is to widely disseminate a theatrical experience. So it would be pointless to broadcast a play with tv or film-style acting. People can already see loads of that ... on tv and on film! Whereas Salome could only happen in a theatre, and people can only experience it in the theatre, or at one remove in an NT Live relay.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 15, 2017 22:41:12 GMT
So it would be pointless to broadcast a play with tv or film-style acting I disagree - there are some actors whose style works well across the board and some (Anthony Sher springs to mind) whose style really doesn't translate to the screen, but I saw Ian McKellen's Richard III on stage and screen and the experience was similar. In my mainly northern Facebook / friendship group, the NT Live broadcasts they express interest in are those featuring actors they know mainly from the TV but who only ever appear in shows based in London. It is quite rare to get famous names on stage in 'the provinces' and when they do appear - like Maxine Peake in Streetcar - the queues for day seats were around the block. I always felt part of the NT Live scheme was an attempt to assuage a bit of guilt about this - London gets HUGE arts subsidies per head of population compared to the regions. We all pay, but the capital reaps the rewards.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 15, 2017 23:19:14 GMT
Created this new thread for discussion specific to NT Live (and apologies for throwing the Yerma thread off topic!)
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Post by Honoured Guest on Aug 15, 2017 23:56:10 GMT
I disagree - there are some actors whose style works well across the board and some (Anthony Sher springs to mind) whose style really doesn't translate to the screen, but I saw Ian McKellen's Richard III on stage and screen and the experience was similar. The effect may have been similar but the film was not a recording of a stage performance but a cinema adaptation of the stage show, so not relevant to the NT Live phenomenon. Salome is theatrical because of every element, not just the "style" of the individual actors!
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Post by Polly1 on Aug 16, 2017 5:07:45 GMT
Do you mean NT live encore (in cinemas) or is there somewhere else? Ah no, not encore screenings. The internet has some questionable nooks and crannies! Would you like to drop some hints, for the uninitiated?
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Post by crowblack on Aug 16, 2017 9:18:18 GMT
Salome is theatrical because of every element, not just the "style" of the individual actors! I didn't see Salome, but Peggs suggested that for some reason those involved in Mosquitoes mightn't be happy to see it on screen and I can't think why that would be - there are some actors whose stage performance style doesn't work well in close-up but in the case of Mosquitoes the main cast are all excellent and it is quite an intimate production, not using the broad brush-strokes you get in some. I don't think anyone turning up to see Olivia Colman on an NT Live broacast would be in any way disappointed.
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Post by peggs on Aug 16, 2017 12:30:25 GMT
I think someone referenced a few pages back that there's the issue that it is stage acting which works for stage (you know people have to project or make sure those at the back can see) but might seem a bit 'big' on screen where people are used to the subtleties of tv/film work. So it's less about any one actor and their ability on stage or screen and more that they are theatrical events. I don't know anything about Mosquitoes specifically and agree it would have been likely to have been a popular sell and been attractive to people. The national must have some criteria for how they choose them, maybe they already had met their number for the season? Has it just been one done from the Dorfman? Maybe it's harder to do there or takes out so many seats for the cameras that the production would be impacted whereas in the Olivier and Lyttleton you've got much bigger auditoriums.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 16, 2017 13:02:56 GMT
They've been done in the Donmar, so there's no excuse regarding auditorium size.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Aug 16, 2017 13:28:20 GMT
Ah no, not encore screenings. The internet has some questionable nooks and crannies! Would you like to drop some hints, for the uninitiated? There does appear to be a bit of a thriving black market.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 16, 2017 14:08:51 GMT
Has it just been one done from the Dorfman? I rang the box office before the run started, after it had sold out in May, asking if it would be NT Lived and they said they don't do it from the Dorfman. It's a fairly new space but having now been I don't see why the placing of cameras would be an issue - Yerma (traverse style) is being NT lived, and some productions from the Manchester Royal Exchange (a theatre in the round) have also been broadcast - the RX Lear was on over Christmas. I've seen some listings where audiences are asked to wear dark clothes for a broadcast evening but other than that I can't see an issue. The Dorfman galleries would surely be ideal for cameras and it's not like they're the old Hollywood jobs. Maybe they're thinking of a transfer instead? Some Dorfman plays travel (Barber Shop Chronicles) but I can't see Mosquitoes getting a regional tour - we just don't get that kind of cast doing much outside London!
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Post by prophet on Aug 17, 2017 6:58:07 GMT
Ah no, not encore screenings. The internet has some questionable nooks and crannies! Would you like to drop some hints, for the uninitiated? I too would like to be in the know....pretty please!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 7:17:23 GMT
Just search "[name of play] ntlive download" and have a search, you'll see clear evidence of wrong-doing. (Pick your play wisely though, something like - oh, just snatching a 100% random example out of the air - Coriolanus is going to be much more evident than something like The Magistrate. It'll forever be a mystery as to why though.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 7:30:05 GMT
Just search "[name of play] ntlive download" and have a search, you'll see clear evidence of wrong-doing. (Pick your play wisely though, something like - oh, just snatching a 100% random example out of the air - Coriolanus is going to be much more evident than something like The Magistrate. It'll forever be a mystery as to why though.) I mean just WHY that mid-level popularity Shakespeare play is SO popular with corners of the internet I'll never know. And when The Magistrate had SUCH lovely sets. (which is about the on thing I can recall, though I AM in the audience for that recording!)
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Post by theatremadness on Aug 17, 2017 8:44:17 GMT
Ah yes, for those asking, Baemax pretty much has it spot on. Though something as simple as "(name of play) download" will throw up such fake, scam, spam, clickbait, virus stuff that you'll probably not find much. For things like this, torrents are quite popular and there are some very particularly dodgy websites that 'specialise' in these. But it's dangerous, as some are fake and deliberately put out there to catch those doing it. There are also sub-reddits on Reddit where, shall I say, all the hard work is done for you. But for 'popular' stuff, blink and you miss it, as it will get taken down. Other stuff, not so much.
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