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Post by bellatheatre on Dec 27, 2023 12:01:30 GMT
Cam Mac will produce Oliver next year - first in Chichester in the summer of 2024 and will then transfer the production to the West End in Jan 2025. The production will have no links at all with the Leeds Playhouse production. That production will close at the end of its Leeds run. The director of the new production will be someone already with links to the last outing of the West End production in 2009- and will not be directed by the director of the Leeds production. May I ask how you know all this? performers are already auditioning for the project
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 27, 2023 18:48:40 GMT
Matthew Bourne is directing Chichesters one I believe If he is, I hope he’s allowed to do something brand new with it, rather than just a scaled down version of the Mendes original/Goold revival. This will be an entirely new production with no relation to the old one. They are apparently approaching it more in the ‘poor theatre’ /RSC Nicholas Nickelby way
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 27, 2023 19:02:26 GMT
That sounds cheery.
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Post by Jon on Dec 27, 2023 19:44:55 GMT
I've only seen the Palladium and Drury Lane productions of Oliver! so will be interesting to see a all new production. I wonder if we might see something that is closer to the Sean Kenny sets than the lavish Palladium set.
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Post by barrowside on Dec 28, 2023 18:06:14 GMT
I'd love to see the Sean Kenny set again - it's never been surpassed.
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Post by Jon on Dec 28, 2023 19:14:38 GMT
I'd love to see the Sean Kenny set again - it's never been surpassed. It's unlikely to return due to its age. Even The Mousetrap which has been running 70+ years replaced their set a number of times.
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Post by ceebee on Dec 28, 2023 21:39:06 GMT
If he is, I hope he’s allowed to do something brand new with it, rather than just a scaled down version of the Mendes original/Goold revival. This will be an entirely new production with no relation to the old one. They are apparently approaching it more in the ‘poor theatre’ /RSC Nicholas Nickelby way So like the Leeds production then...
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Post by barrowside on Dec 29, 2023 2:51:38 GMT
I'd love to see the Sean Kenny set again - it's never been surpassed. It's unlikely to return due to its age. Even The Mousetrap which has been running 70+ years replaced their set a number of times. Oh, I actually meant his design rather than the physical original. I think the version Cameron Mackintosh has in storage is from the 70s/80s revivals. It was so ahead of it's time the style of it hasn't dated. I feel it was an influence on John Napier's work for Nicholas Nickelby and Les Misérables and also the set from Hamilton is tonally very similar without the symmetry of the curving staircases. I read somewhere that Bob Crowley reassembled it and did a full set of drawings and models to document it when he was a young designer.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Dec 29, 2023 8:09:46 GMT
It's unlikely to return due to its age. Even The Mousetrap which has been running 70+ years replaced their set a number of times. Oh, I actually meant his design rather than the physical original. I think the version Cameron Mackintosh has in storage is from the 70s/80s revivals. It was so ahead of it's time the style of it hasn't dated. I feel it was an influence on John Napier's work for Nicholas Nickelby and Les Misérables and also the set from Hamilton is tonally very similar without the symmetry of the curving staircases. I read somewhere that Bob Crowley reassembled it and did a full set of drawings and models to document it when he was a young designer. At the back of my mind I thought that someone said when this was first mooted this new production would be closer to that production rather than the extravagant Palladium production. Maybe not an exact remont, but inspired by.
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Post by BVM on Dec 29, 2023 9:28:58 GMT
Who designed the Palladium and Drury Lane sets and were they (more or less) identical?
Didn’t see Palladium but remember the fuss about it when was a teenager. Did see Drury Lane!
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Post by kit66 on Dec 29, 2023 10:08:58 GMT
Who designed the Palladium and Drury Lane sets and were they (more or less) identical? Didn’t see Palladium but remember the fuss about it when was a teenager. Did see Drury Lane! Same designer (Anthony Ward) Due to the nature of the stage the Palladium design was more elongated and "cinemascopeish" whereas the Drury Lane was more square and compact.Both were very traditonal. Oliver! was the first musical I saw - Piccadilly Theatre 1967 - and still remember Sean Kenny's revolutionary - in more ways than one! - design that got me hooked not only into musicals but also set design.
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Post by BVM on Dec 29, 2023 10:39:23 GMT
Who designed the Palladium and Drury Lane sets and were they (more or less) identical? Didn’t see Palladium but remember the fuss about it when was a teenager. Did see Drury Lane! Same designer (Anthony Ward) Due to the nature of the stage the Palladium design was more elongated and "cinemascopeish" whereas the Drury Lane was more square and compact.Both were very traditonal. Oliver! was the first musical I saw - Piccadilly Theatre 1967 - and still remember Sean Kenny's revolutionary - in more ways than one! - design that got me hooked not only into musicals but also set design. Thank you :-) I remember being impressed with the size and scale of the Drury Lane set - especially as was the era where the mega musicals were very much on the way out. Well, already out I guess. Sorry next question - what made the Sean Kenny set revolutionary?
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Post by theatrefan62 on Dec 29, 2023 10:57:01 GMT
I hope the new version is darker and more realistic, and definitely no breaking the 4th wall like at drury Lane and on tour. Made it slightly panto like.
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Post by kit66 on Dec 29, 2023 11:52:35 GMT
Same designer (Anthony Ward) Due to the nature of the stage the Palladium design was more elongated and "cinemascopeish" whereas the Drury Lane was more square and compact.Both were very traditonal. Oliver! was the first musical I saw - Piccadilly Theatre 1967 - and still remember Sean Kenny's revolutionary - in more ways than one! - design that got me hooked not only into musicals but also set design. Thank you :-) I remember being impressed with the size and scale of the Drury Lane set - especially as was the era where the mega musicals were very much on the way out. Well, already out I guess. Sorry next question - what made the Sean Kenny set revolutionary? In the early 60's most musical sets were painted drop cloths and trucks with front cloths used to mask set changes. That's why in most musicals at that time had comedy numbers performed in front of the stage while the new full stage set was set up behind. For Oliver! as the main set was on a revolve - with two two tier trucks on either side of the revolve for the "smaller" scenes - all the scene changes were done in front of the audience and not hidden. The revolve consisted of steps going up and down to a higher level at the back and when revolved Fagin's lair was under the higher level - now facing the audience. Audiences who were used to "pretty" sets must have been taken aback by the more gritty look of the set mainly consisting of timbered pillars.
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Post by BVM on Dec 29, 2023 11:54:30 GMT
Thank you :-) I remember being impressed with the size and scale of the Drury Lane set - especially as was the era where the mega musicals were very much on the way out. Well, already out I guess. Sorry next question - what made the Sean Kenny set revolutionary? In the early 60's most musical sets were painted drop cloths and trucks with front cloths used to mask set changes. That's why in most musicals at that time had comedy numbers performed in front of the stage while the new full stage set was set up behind. For Oliver! as the main set was on a revolve - with two wing peices on either side coming in to the revolve for the "smaller" scenes - all the scene changes were done in front of the audience and not hidden. Thanks very much! Total set geek so find this stuff really interesting :-)
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Post by Jon on Dec 29, 2023 12:17:07 GMT
I think Cameron wouldn't want to use Sean Kenny's designs since he'd have to pay royalties whereas someone like say like Es Devlin or Rae Smith could create something fresh.
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Post by princeton on Dec 29, 2023 13:23:20 GMT
Matthew Bourne's usual collaborator is designing.
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Post by Jon on Dec 29, 2023 13:37:04 GMT
Matthew Bourne's usual collaborator is designing. Lez Brotherston?
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Post by HereForTheatre on Dec 29, 2023 14:32:37 GMT
Matt Kinley (Miss Saigon. Les Mis ect) designed an excellent set for the Curve production of Oliver that Paul Kerryson directed as his farewell show. In fact most of Cameron's go to creative team worked on that apart from Paul himself, not normal for Curve, which made me think at the time that the idea was for that to have a further life but no. I don't think Curve have ever beaten that set for Oliver. It was a two storey set designed with various parts of the set opening out like books to reveal different rooms, a bit like the way the Mary Poppins house did and had various completely 3d contained rooms truck in and out as well, Peter Polycarpou was Fagin and Laura Pit Pulford was Nancy.
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Post by barrowside on Dec 29, 2023 18:50:59 GMT
Some images of the Sean Kenny set from a 1980 replica production in Dublin. It consisted mainly of the central revolve with the curved staircases, flanked by wooden scaffolding at both sides against a London backdrop. The staircases rotated to create all the locales with some flying pieces such as the workhouse gate, the chimneypiece from Fagin's Den and London Bridge. It seemed to capture all the life and energy of Victorian London as the cast moved around and over it. I remember the lighting as being very moody and atmospheric also.
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Post by barrowside on Dec 29, 2023 19:02:30 GMT
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 29, 2023 20:01:41 GMT
Matthew Bourne's usual collaborator is designing. Lez Brotherston? Yes
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Post by emsworthian on Dec 30, 2023 9:58:45 GMT
Is Damian Lewis still being eyed for this?
I hope not. I have only just recovered from him mudering the National Anthem at one of the Grands Prix.
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Post by asps2017 on Jan 3, 2024 16:57:58 GMT
When do the Chichester productions get announced usually?
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Post by alicechallice on Jan 3, 2024 19:02:14 GMT
When do the Chichester productions get announced usually? First Thursday in Feb has been the norm for the last few years.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jan 3, 2024 21:04:10 GMT
Is Damian Lewis still being eyed for this?
I hope not. I have only just recovered from him mudering the National Anthem at one of the Grands Prix.
I’m nowhere near getting over that.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 24, 2024 12:50:06 GMT
Having read all of the rumours over on the Drury Lane and Frozen threads I’ve gotten quite excited about this. I have been listening to the show again and really enjoying it. I will definitely book a ticket when this opens/transfers in the west end. Just curious as to where and when that may be.
I wouldn’t be too opposed to Damien Lewis. He was the worst part of the Old Friend’s broadcast IMO but he doesn’t *really* have to sing in this.
Whatever the production looks like I hope there’s a sizeable orchestra for this!
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Post by jampot on Jan 24, 2024 18:14:19 GMT
When do the Chichester productions get announced usually? First Thursday in Feb has been the norm for the last few years. 15th this year...
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Post by alicechallice on Jan 24, 2024 18:17:27 GMT
First Thursday in Feb has been the norm for the last few years. 15th this year... FML!!!
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