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Post by bobbievanhusen on Jun 14, 2023 23:51:32 GMT
Bit disappointed in Kerry Ellis stooping so low and joining this show!
If she can do a UK tour of Wonderland, she can easily do this 1 off concert.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Jun 14, 2023 23:55:47 GMT
Given it was only annouced today, it seems to have sold pretty well.
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Post by kyvai on Jun 15, 2023 4:19:23 GMT
It’s in TodayTix app without all the fees, NGL I am tempted to go for a £46 band. The whole cult flop thing + Kerry Ellis is a draw for sure.
Thought process is going like: Diana the musical - ah why not could be fun! In concert - meh, but alright With Kerry Ellis - oh yes definitely then! And Denise Welch - sorry what? Why……why would they do that?
Denise Welch released one single - a cover of “You Don’t Have To Say You Love Me’ - in 1995. Found a video of her singing it 4 years ago - scroll to the end when she gets up and has the microphone - see what you think!
I don’t know Maiya Quansah-Breed, but quick google tells me she’s another Six alumna so I’m assuming she’s a decent performer and brings in the yoof theatre kid crowd, why is her casting a problem though? Are those comments purely due to her skin colour or am I missing something?
Eddie Izzard could be either awful or hilarious if that rumour is true, I simultaneously find him reasonably entertaining (used to be very bloody funny back in the heyday of Dress to Kill) and also an incredibly irritating human.
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Post by christya on Jun 15, 2023 12:03:58 GMT
Double casting the role in general is silly, but if they're going to do that, then absolutely her skin colour is an issue. They're casting a real person who people remember, and even disregarding that, there is an older version of the same character in the show, who is white. Just pushes it further into the ridiculous. Shows which do colour blind castng normally have the sense to match up younger/older versions.
Maybe they just decided it didn't matter as it's a concert production. I'd love to hear their excuse for Denise Welch though, that song was painful.
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Post by sph on Jun 15, 2023 13:11:01 GMT
I think because it's a concert production it doesn't really matter. But if it transfers it might get a bit of side-eye. I mean Diana was a real person very familiar to pretty much everyone across the world.
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Post by kyvai on Jun 15, 2023 13:29:30 GMT
Oh ok, I respectfully disagree, I really don’t see that the actors’ skin colour is an issue at all, either in relation to Diana herself or younger/older versions of the same character within a show. I think it can all be made very clear with costuming/dialogue and I just accept that’s who that is and move on, don’t give it a second thought.
Frozen does it all the time, the majority of current Young Elsas are girls of colour. Last time I went, an Asian Young Elsa grew up into a white Elsa, and a white Young Anna grew up into a black Anna, and I don’t think anyone in the audience was confused as to who was who! Sylvia had a majority BAME cast, Jennie Churchill was even caricatured as a cliché of a battleaxe Caribbean mama and berated Winston with the punchline “hear me now!” - and I don’t think anyone was confused who any of them were, even though the real-life people they portrayed were white.
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Post by sph on Jun 15, 2023 14:54:29 GMT
If the show has a particular "concept" like Six or Hamilton, it works. If it is supposed to be a more (even if somewhat camp) naturalistic portrayal of a recent and very famous public figure I don't feel it really does. You would never cast a white or Asian Desmond Tutu for example. Or a white Tina Turner.
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Post by Mark on Jun 15, 2023 17:24:46 GMT
If the show has a particular "concept" like Six or Hamilton, it works. If it is supposed to be a more (even if somewhat camp) naturalistic portrayal of a recent and very famous public figure I don't feel it really does. You would never cast a white or Asian Desmond Tutu for example. Or a white Tina Turner. Or Meghan Markel….
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Post by FairyGodmother on Jun 15, 2023 17:47:31 GMT
Isn't Taylor Swift dating Denise Welch's son? Perhaps they're hoping she'll turn up in the audience. I can imagine a headline about checking out what she'd be like as a M-I-L. They spilt up.., keep up! Oh dear, I'm clearly behind on the sleb gossip!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 19:48:09 GMT
Does anyone else remenber the Queen Mother on Spitting Image had Beryl Reid's voice? Lol yes! It was genius! Steve Nallon who famously did Maggie's voice did the Queen Mother too apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 19:56:02 GMT
I don’t know Maiya Quansah-Breed, but quick google tells me she’s another Six alumna so I’m assuming she’s a decent performer and brings in the yoof theatre kid crowd, why is her casting a problem though? Are those comments purely due to her skin colour or am I missing something? Eddie Izzard could be either awful or hilarious if that rumour is true, I simultaneously find him reasonably entertaining (used to be very bloody funny back in the heyday of Dress to Kill) and also an incredibly irritating human. With MQB my issue is that you have two older white actresses and her as a younger mixed race actress all playing the same part. I've no issue with colour blind casting but it has to be consistent and cannot be done this way. If you had a BAME actress playing Camilia that's fine but not when it is the same person. But being cynical if they had two black actresses playing the older parts with MQB as the younger incarnation is that any different to what they have now. Maybe this sort of show can get away with it. Six is totally colour and nationality blind and it is huge so I'll give this a pass on the casting.
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Post by LaLuPone on Jun 15, 2023 20:06:28 GMT
I don’t know Maiya Quansah-Breed, but quick google tells me she’s another Six alumna so I’m assuming she’s a decent performer and brings in the yoof theatre kid crowd, why is her casting a problem though? Are those comments purely due to her skin colour or am I missing something? Eddie Izzard could be either awful or hilarious if that rumour is true, I simultaneously find him reasonably entertaining (used to be very bloody funny back in the heyday of Dress to Kill) and also an incredibly irritating human. With MQB my issue is that you have two older white actresses and her as a younger mixed race actress all playing the same part. I've no issue with colour blind casting but it has to be consistent and cannot be done this way. If you had a BAME actress playing Camilia that's fine but not when it is the same person. But being cynical if they had two black actresses playing the older parts with MQB as the younger incarnation is that any different to what they have now. Maybe this sort of show can get away with it. Six is totally colour and nationality blind and it is huge so I'll give this a pass on the casting. It’s not two older white actresses all playing the same part, Denise Welch is playing Queen Liz! I shudder to think of her as Diana 💀
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Post by BVM on Jun 15, 2023 21:01:32 GMT
Just everything about this is sounding next level iconic.
Can’t wait to hear who’s gonna play Camilla, Charles and the porous rock Paul Burrell!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 22:00:13 GMT
Schofe for Paul Burrell?
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Jun 16, 2023 10:25:02 GMT
It’s in TodayTix app without all the fees, NGL I am tempted to go for a £46 band. The whole cult flop thing + Kerry Ellis is a draw for sure. Thought process is going like: Diana the musical - ah why not could be fun! In concert - meh, but alright With Kerry Ellis - oh yes definitely then! And Denise Welch - sorry what? Why……why would they do that? Denise Welch released one single - a cover of “You Don’t Have To Say You Love Me’ - in 1995. Found a video of her singing it 4 years ago - scroll to the end when she gets up and has the microphone - see what you think! I don’t know Maiya Quansah-Breed, but quick google tells me she’s another Six alumna so I’m assuming she’s a decent performer and brings in the yoof theatre kid crowd, why is her casting a problem though? Are those comments purely due to her skin colour or am I missing something? Eddie Izzard could be either awful or hilarious if that rumour is true, I simultaneously find him reasonably entertaining (used to be very bloody funny back in the heyday of Dress to Kill) and also an incredibly irritating human. Thanks for the TodayTix tip. Found a single seat there in stalls row C for £95 all in, right at one edge but still better in my opinion than anything on the Eventim website.
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Post by southstreet on Jun 16, 2023 12:08:45 GMT
I went and checked right when tickets went on sale yesterday and every other row in the stalls and a fair few rows in the dress weren't ever on sale through the main website.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Jun 16, 2023 23:52:43 GMT
I went and checked right when tickets went on sale yesterday and every other row in the stalls and a fair few rows in the dress weren't ever on sale through the main website. That's odd. They were all on sale when I got mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 0:37:38 GMT
If the show has a particular "concept" like Six or Hamilton, it works. If it is supposed to be a more (even if somewhat camp) naturalistic portrayal of a recent and very famous public figure I don't feel it really does. You would never cast a white or Asian Desmond Tutu for example. Or a white Tina Turner. Or you had a random black Von Trapp child in the Sound of Music or a white Four Top or Temptation in one of the musicals featuring the Motown legends
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Post by andypandy on Jun 17, 2023 23:11:19 GMT
I'm all for progressive casting in 2023 but come on - we can't cast BAME actors as Diana! (cue the long screaming debate). I understand we have Six and Hamilton that represent historical characters in different casting but Diana ONLY died in 1997 and her sons are both still alive! We wouldn't dare cast white actors now in BAME roles so this is just a step too far and ridiculous. As someone says above no one would cast a white Tina Turner. The West End and the current UK TV industry and its selective diversity is going MAD. I won't be booking.
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Post by Being Alive on Jun 17, 2023 23:27:36 GMT
Cool don't go if you feel that strongly 🙂
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Jun 17, 2023 23:34:46 GMT
It's a 1 off, concert performance of the show. They'll probably just be standing behind mic stands all night. She'll be singing the role of Lady Di and gets about 3 songs, if that. And you still cant get past the colour of her skin? 🤔
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Jun 18, 2023 9:48:16 GMT
I went and checked right when tickets went on sale yesterday and every other row in the stalls and a fair few rows in the dress weren't ever on sale through the main website. That's odd. They were all on sale when I got mine. I also saw only alternate rows, and nothing available in the first few in the stalls. I thought Ticketmaster may have been allocated the front rows to sell as premiums but couldn't find them anywhere so decided not to book. Then kyvai posted the tip off about Today Tix and I got row C there, albeit a side view. Maybe they had a sizeable allocation ?
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 18, 2023 11:49:55 GMT
Or you had a random black Von Trapp child in the Sound of Music Have you seen the casting for the forthcoming Chichester Sound of Music? The Captain must have had at least 3 former wives!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 18, 2023 11:57:56 GMT
Or did a lot of adopting
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 12:50:12 GMT
Or you had a random black Von Trapp child in the Sound of Music Have you seen the casting for the forthcoming Chichester Sound of Music? The Captain must have had at least 3 former wives! I'd only seen the main names announced and not looked at the juvenile castings but it's one to tick off the list just need a white or asian member of Temptations or Four Tops in Motown musical now. In all seriousness I can give the underage casting more of a pass as a lot of the criteria for casting them is down to their ability and the pool of talent might be smaller.
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Post by anthony on Jun 18, 2023 13:00:36 GMT
To be honest, I care less about the skin colour of the cast than the fact they've decided to double cast it - it doesn't need to be. THAT is what is silly here. And to the comment before about her children still being alive: I'm not sure I see the point? Out of everything this musical does, the skin colour of the actress playing Diana is probably the thing to be least upset about for them.
I said it when it debuted and I'll repeat now: the score is actually wonderful. If it was attached to any other subject matter, it would do amazingly well. I genuinely love it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 15:26:07 GMT
To be honest, I care less about the skin colour of the cast than the fact they've decided to double cast it - it doesn't need to be. THAT is what is silly here. And to the comment before about her children still being alive: I'm not sure I see the point? Out of everything this musical does, the skin colour of the actress playing Diana is probably the thing to be least upset about for them. I said it when it debuted and I'll repeat now: the score is actually wonderful. If it was attached to any other subject matter, it would do amazingly well. I genuinely love it! Hopefully the composer will find future good subject matters if they can write a quality score.
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Post by showtoones on Jun 18, 2023 17:10:37 GMT
Clearly they are holding many tickets back and better seats will likely be released closer to the concert, I would think.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Jun 18, 2023 21:55:43 GMT
Hopefully the composer will find future good subject matters if they can write a quality score. Clearly they can write a quality score, they won the Tony Awards for best score, best book and best new musical for Memphis
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